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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Autistic teen told to call male TA “Mx” & not “Sir” or “Mr *name*

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BethDuttonsTwin · 24/02/2023 16:51

This happened to dd this morning at school. She then came out of school at told me she no longer wants one to one help in her lessons - her EHCP says 25 hours a week. It’s too difficult to remember what to call him and she’s embarrassed she will get it wrong in front of the other students.

What now? I want to make a formal complaint. Am raging tbh. Can someone tell me who I need to be contacting please? The school are totally woke and rainbow soaked. Thank you.

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Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 19:45

@idontevenknowanyonecalledblurb I was just trying to say you could try turn this into a positive learning experience. adding helpful extra learning experiences to a disabled child’s curriculum without thought or understanding is a totally shit idea. You seem to have NO idea what the impact would be.

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 19:45

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 19:37

One: names are supposed to be individual.

Two: you think everyone finds names easy to remember? I don't know the names of people I've studies or worked with for years. As for autistic children, you need to experience the joys of organising a birthday party for a child with special needs. Mini-Pots used to make incomprehensible lists of children, because he didn't know what his friends were called. The school receptionist once told me, "but there is no girl called Liberty in his year!"

It turned out his friend was called Libby and had a surname beginning with T.

I don't know the names of people I've studies or worked with for years.

snap!

MichelleScarn · 24/02/2023 19:46

Posted too soon, are some people really not getting its the anxiety of even accidently getting it wrong that is the issue here for this child whose needs are such she had 25 hrs 1:1?! And the bloody adult who she and her parents are meant to trust to keep her safe and in school is the one causing this anxiety?! Words fucking fail me.

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 19:47

This movement is so amazing. What is says at ever single opportunity, is that women and children need to 're-educate' themselves, and to make allowances in order to validate men's feelings. Fuck off with the lot of it.

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 19:48

I would tell this man to fucking do one, and ask the school to provide an adequate support who leaves his identity/ego at home, and can act professionally

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 19:50

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 24/02/2023 19:45

Two: you think everyone finds names easy remember? I don't know the names of people I've studies or worked with for years.

Even someone you’re working with day in, day out?

It's a different posters quote but i agree with it. I struggle to remember my own name when asked. So trying to remember the name of someone else, it's pot luck wether it sticks or not. I cannot remember one single name of the people i worked with at my last job. Not one.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 19:51

idontevenknowanyonecalledblurb · 24/02/2023 19:43

@ReadersD1gest really? You would refuse to call someone their preferred title or name at work because you know better?

It doesn't come up. I don't work with anyone I address as Mr/Mrs/whatever, much less Sir or Madam.
And pronouns are used in a person's absence, so nobody should experience any heartbreak about something they're unaware of.
But, short answer - yes.

Your distorted view of the world doesn't give you the right to deny me my perfectly normal one.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 19:54

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 19:50

It's a different posters quote but i agree with it. I struggle to remember my own name when asked. So trying to remember the name of someone else, it's pot luck wether it sticks or not. I cannot remember one single name of the people i worked with at my last job. Not one.

There's a lesson here for all the special people.
Nobody else really gives a toss 😂

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 19:56

Even someone you’re working with day in, day out?

Yes, people I work with every day. I have ten people whose names I don't know, and I have no idea what my line manager's name is, either.

We all have things we don't want to do, which we have to do anyway, and today, one of yours is accepting that some other people can't do the things you can. It's called "accepting disabilities".

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 19:56

There's a lesson here for all the special people.
Please don’t use the term “special” like this, it’s not ok.

Southstand · 24/02/2023 19:57

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 19:43

I have never met, or seen anyone use Mx.

It is an invention for narcissistic people to be 'special' and to create further drama and attention

⬆️ this

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 19:58

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 19:56

There's a lesson here for all the special people.
Please don’t use the term “special” like this, it’s not ok.

Can I see your thought police ID please?

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 19:59

BlessedKali · 24/02/2023 19:58

Can I see your thought police ID please?

I'm still trying to work out what was wrong with the way it was used.

I feel like I've missed something

EpicChaos · 24/02/2023 20:00

idontevenknowanyonecalledblurb · 24/02/2023 19:40

@EpicChaos sorry for not agreeing with you... I see you aren't used to that. Some of these comments about going mad because someone wants to be called a recognised title - I was just trying to say you could try turn this into a positive learning experience.

Does it not occur to you, that a child requiring 25 hours per week, ( almost the whole school day, barring lunch and play time just about ) has such difficulties with ordinary learning, that an added requirement on top of that just to validate someone elses personal choices, is maybe a bit much, especially when that so called adult, is supposed to be there for no other purpose than to help that child? Seriously?

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 20:00

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 19:56

There's a lesson here for all the special people.
Please don’t use the term “special” like this, it’s not ok.

Sorry if that was offensive. I was referring to self styled special people, it wasn't a dig at anything else.

CatsGinAndTwiglets · 24/02/2023 20:03

Leafstamp · 24/02/2023 17:52

I don't know about other schools but my children seem to call all female teachers 'Miss' (whether their title is Miss, Ms, or Mrs) and male teachers 'Sir'.

I don't think teachers should personally waste their time correct students, on their title. And I certainly think that if a child is has SEND then a male teacher should expect to be called Mr or Sir.

These adults who expect children in their care to validate their special identities are selfish IMO.

This. Totally normal for adults in school to be miss or sir. Yes we should start to introduce gender neutral terms but miss and sir is where we are at the moment and children who make mistakes with this, especially ones with additional needs, should not be made to feel bad for getting it wrong.

Teachers with doctorates cope with being called misterdoctor or mrsdoctor etc, French teachers manage when they aren’t called madam smith. Obv when it’s don’t innocently. We don’t tolerate deliberate misgendering or discrimination of staff or students. But as adults who work with children we forgive genuine errors.

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 20:06

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 20:00

Sorry if that was offensive. I was referring to self styled special people, it wasn't a dig at anything else.

I’m only asking not insisting. If you have a disabled child the sneering “special” stings a bit. I know it’s not meant. The issue being discussed (pronouns and autism) is something I’ve been dreading coming up for sometime.

EpicChaos · 24/02/2023 20:07

@NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision

" It's called "accepting disabilities". "

AKA not giving a damn! What i choose to call people behind their backs, is between me, my conscience and whoever else is in earshot lol.

And btw @idontevenknowanyonecalledblurb it's not a recognised title to me, or at least it wasn't until a whole load of narcissists landed in a recent meteorite storm!

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 20:09

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 20:06

I’m only asking not insisting. If you have a disabled child the sneering “special” stings a bit. I know it’s not meant. The issue being discussed (pronouns and autism) is something I’ve been dreading coming up for sometime.

I have apologised and assured you I didn't mean it as disparaging to children with additional needs.

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 20:10

Yes sorry I was trying to say it’s fine.

BlackeyedSusan · 24/02/2023 20:10

Yep. Names do not stick for quite a few autistic people.

Soontobe60 · 24/02/2023 20:10

LetThemEatTurnips · 24/02/2023 17:23

I can't see how someone changing their name from Mr Jones to Mx Jones any more 'difficult' or 'confusing' than someone changing their name from Miss Smith to Mrs Wilson?

Would you complain if a TA asked your child to call them Mrs instead of Miss after getting married?

I assume what you really mean is you don't want your child to have a TA who is 'Mx'. If that is the case, be honest about it.

I’m sure you’re just being obtuse. Everyone knows that many women change their title to Mrs when they marry, so going from Miss Smith to Mrs Jones isn’t really a stretch.
The TA is expecting this child to agree that the person is a different sex to what’s in front of their eyes.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 20:11

Itisbetter · 24/02/2023 20:10

Yes sorry I was trying to say it’s fine.

Sorry 👍

chevvyroo · 24/02/2023 20:11

WednesdaysPlaits · 24/02/2023 17:05

How do you even pronounce that? “Mux”? “mix”?

I'm coming on to ask the same thing. "Em-ex"?

Woolandwonder · 24/02/2023 20:11

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