I live in Rosie Duffields constituency. Just had local election door knock from labour party

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He asked what my main concerns were. I said my main issue was that i stood with Rosie and felt that Labour, as a party, from the top down, did not offer her enough support. And my main concern was womens safe spaces.

Man said, well, this is local elections and not about that, and that issue is more complicated than you think. What are your concerns, locally?

I said the local council is involved in issues to do with womens safe spaces. Like the womens refuges, the womans changing room at the local pool, etc. All spaces where biological men should not have access and that womens safe spaces was my main concern.

There followed a debate. And his stance is that its not that simple, i am being brainwashed by the right wing media, and that Rosie is in fact, (drumroll please...), mainly being supported by American right wing anti abortion groups.

Arrrrrghhhhhh. So that is where my local labour door knockers are at. Saying Rosies main core of support is American right wing anti abortion groups and i am being fooled by them. Silly, foolish, female me.

ijclark · Today 19:54

Bold move to publicly argue that no right wingers support her position on transgender rights.

As you're on about American Fundamentalists, militia types and Timmy Robinson fans, her views don't really intersect, excluding the one point that transw are men. The first lot want to get rid of them, jail them, kick their heads in etc.

Rosie Duffield most assuredly does not. If they offered her support, she'd shun them, sure as eggs is eggs.

Your whole fake point is that they're in bed together; if not, why would you keep flailing away at it?

He identifies as being an intellectual giant, and completely correct. So just who are you to deny that identity, Sinner?

No-one has claimed they are in bed together.

But I appreciate your faith that she’d shun far-right types.

Oh yeah, awful Jotunphobe that I am!

No-one has claimed they are in bed together.

Plenty of people do. But I imagine you will be correcting them if they do it in your earshot, no?

“Plenty of people do”. Ah, “the bloke down the pub says” argument. Always a winner..

Majority view on here as far as I can see.

VictorStrand · Today 18:28

I can see why someone who isn't a solicitor could try to interpret it that way but that isn't how the law or the Act works.

Dear oh dear - you are making this heavy weather of this.

I am saying that the male entitlement attitudes of those framing this Act influenced how they approached it.

I am saying that stupid male entitlement as an after thought wrote in something to protect women's rights because stupid male entitlement meant what that had initially drafted meant women's rights were lost so they had to create exemptions.

Had they not been those influenced by stupid male entitlement they would automatically have assumed that women's had rights, and then thought about how they could create exemptions for those with a GR that didn't impact on women's rights.

But no, thanks to stupid male entitlement they wrote it back to front.

You seem to be the only person who hasn't understood this.

Why else was there a court case to challenge what the meaning of the word woman was in relation to equal representation on company boards?

Why else is there a petition to change the wording of the EA to ensure that sex means sex?

Because stupid male entitlement had written what their mentality naturally assumes. That women are insignificant and dont need to be thought about.

That is how this situation arose.

What part of institutional sexism do you not understand?

Absolutely this. It's like TRAs are deliberately blind.

Duffield supports women, and women's sex based rights. She does not think trans rights trump anyone else's rights. I think she is correct in that stance; that stance is not axiomatically right-wing - it is feminist.

Sorry, pressed post to soon. I was quoting @Grammarnut re. Duffield's support of women's sex based rights.

🦖🦕 Well done OP 💜💚🤍

the bloke down the pub says

Like your entire collection of motley arguments about "trans rights" and what women on a feminist board should prioritise politically then.

If I was getting emails from you, they'd probably not pass my spam filter either.

If I was getting emails from you, they'd probably not pass my spam filter either.

Yes, I'd personally set up a rule to automatically "file" them.

Are they planning to vote for another party or not vote at all? At least the Tories can’t try to foist the Firth on us again.

I've a feeling that right wing groups agree with me that water is wet. Does that mean that anyone who believes that water is wet owns a MAGA hat?

But then the Communist Party probably also agree that water is wet too.

Totally agree with male entitlement having skewed the EA2010 - that's the only explanation for women's sex segregated spaces being an afterthought. Trans rights should have been the exceptions, not women's. Back to front (I thought of a ruder way to say that then thought I'd get moderated out).

@ijclark Your posts suggest that you have major unresolved issues with Rosie Duffield. Have you considered professional assistance in finding resolution?

@JanesLittleGirl by your own logic, you’re saying everyone here has unresolved issues with the transgender community. Is this you coming out and calling everyone TERFs?

That would be by your logic, not mine. I'm worried that that you can see no good in RD and I feel that that cannot be healthy. I'm not a TERF, being neither trans-exlusionary nor a radical feminist.

Totally agree with male entitlement having skewed the EA2010 - that's the only explanation for women's sex segregated spaces being an afterthought.

The issue as I see it is that the default common law presumption is that anyone can use any space. Previously it wasn't regulated by law that men didn't use women's spaces. It was a social contract. So the single sex exemptions are to carve out a bit of legal space where things need to be single sex for safety, privacy, dignity, fairness etc so men can't complain of "discrimination" when women, a disadvantaged group need to have their own stuff where men don't dominate. And sometimes vice versa.

@JanesLittleGirl tbf my experience is based on her vindictively revealing my personal data without my consent to someone who was attacking me. It’s pretty hard to take any MP seriously after they do that, or to have any positive thoughts towards them at all.

If it helps, I also pursued similar action over a data protection breach with her Tory predecessor. A more accurate reflection of my views is that I loathe all politicians and regardless of who it was, or the party they represented, I’d be giving them a hard time and watching their data protection habits like a hawk.

It had something to do with you voting for her, clearly.

@ijclark to paraphrase lady Bracknell, to have convinced oneself that one MP breached your data privacy is a misfortune.

To have convinced yourself that two successive MPs breached your data privacy looks like carelessness.

@Sazzasez lets just say I’m more up to speed with data protection law than the average constituent ;)