KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples

[SapphosRock]

KJK seems to have an ongoing beef with same sex couples having fertility treatment. Why? How is this benefiting women's rights?

Is is definitely not benefiting lesbian rights.

It also appears to be attracting all the homophobes on Twitter.

No, it's not.
It's a statement of fact.
It's not saying that she should have sex with a man. Not at all.

Facts can be nasty and hurtful but that doesn't mean they're not facts.

Why is she saying it? (she hasn't answered me on Twitter btw)

Why say anything at all about lesbians and fertility issues unless you are saying lesbian couples trying to conceive should not have access to fertility treatment.

That is the implication.

That is not the implication at all.

I've read all 65 responses to her tweet @SapphosRock and I can't find one from you. Unless you're Derek?

I agree.

The comment about "lie back and think of England" was made by one person and is not representative of the board or other posters on this thread.

It’s not an infertility issue it’s a not-wanting-sex-with-a-man issue.

Which is fair enough, no one here actually thinks women (or men) should have sex they don’t want. Certainly not against our sexual orientation, but not within it either.
We can’t expect the state to supply other people’s gametes to us though. That’s dystopian.

I know someone will shout 'Having a child is not a right!' But I don't hear them shouting that to the straight women on the IVF board.

Well no, why would we? If someone came here and said that unlimited ivf attempts should be available on the NHS I think they would get that response.

It’s not the implication at all.

It’s what you’ve read into it based on your own pre existing beliefs.

We can’t expect the state to supply other people’s gametes to us though. That’s dystopian.

Straight people do get this on the NHS. Donor insemination is funded for straight couples with male factor infertility.

@SapphosRock

If you are in a same sex relationship you cannot conceive naturally but that doesn't mean you have a fertility problem. You need to acquire the only thing that can make you pregnant, it's available to order off the internet apparently.

If the cruder method doesn't work then you can use ivf to conceive, and of course some women in same sex relationships also have fertility issues.

However at a basic level, a same sex couple is not infertile, they are simply engaging in a lifestyle that will not result in natural pregnancy. Having expensive medical care due to this choice paid for by scarce healthcare resources is always going to solicit negative opinions. Personally I'm uneasy with publicly funded ivf except in limited circumstances (eg harvesting prior to cancer treatment) but I know that my views aren't common (my own dp's dd was ivf)

Neither should! It’s not a homosexual/heterosexual thing it’s a no one should expect to access someone else’s gametes thing.

You are so determined to make KJK look like a bigot you are making no sense

So, for clarity, what is the issue you want to discuss on here sappho?
Kjk and her supposed faults
Or state policy on infertility treatment?
Because it seems to me that, because everybody has seen through your attempt to slur kjk, you've moved the goalposts.

Yes, but only when the following conditions have been met:

•	they've been trying to get pregnant through regular unprotected sex for 2 years
•	they've not been able to get pregnant after 12 cycles of artificial insemination, with at least 6 of the cycles using a method called intrauterine insemination (IUI))_

Given a lesbian couple doesn't have to meet the first of those two conditions, you could argue that the barrier to IVF on the NHS is lower for lesbians than for straight couples.

Not if the reason for not conceiving is not having sex! You cannot just rock up and demand someone inserts a random man's sperm into your uterus.

Just stop it. Or get this thread deleted and apologise.

do you have any idea about the invasive and sometimes very painful tests those couples have to go though to prove they are infertile before they will even be considered for treatment. And if they are proved to be fertile they are refused. Is that what you want for lesbians? And if the lesbian is assessed to be fertile and refused? Are you saying lesbians should be treated any different from heterosexual people? Why?

This is what true fertility treatment is about

It is offered to people whose reproductive system does not work properly

I want to support the woman but when she Tweets that lesbians trying to procreate is not a fertility issue she is claiming lesbians should not have access to state funded fertility treatment.

That is anti LGBT and anti lesbian for the reasons I have outlined.

when she Tweets that lesbians trying to procreate is not a fertility issue she is claiming lesbians should not have access to state funded fertility treatment
Is she directly claiming that? I didn't see it.
Or are you making assumptions?
And fwiw I don't think anyone should have access to state funded fertility treatment.

when she Tweets that lesbians trying to procreate is not a fertility issue she is claiming lesbians should not have access to state funded fertility treatment.

But she's right - it's not a fertility issue. Do you not understand this?

I want to support the woman
Sappho that is simply not true as anybody with a memory or an advanced search ability knows.

You would be spurned by your Brighton soc fem friends if you supported KJK. They've even written a webpage about how much they hate her FFS.

I want to support the woman but when she Tweets that lesbians trying to procreate is not a fertility issue she is claiming lesbians should not have access to state funded fertility treatment.

That's about the most mendacious statement you've ever typed on here and there's some stiff competition

I suspect that Sapphos might have been challenged to do something public to show her TRA partner that she still believes KJK is the devil and this is all that she has.

That's one possibility, either that or it's hoping the Police, Google.

That is anti LGBT and anti lesbian for the reasons I have outlined

No, the most you can say is that you believe/think (or are trying to posit your claim) that two people of the same sex (who may very well be perfectly fecund and fertile) are infertile if they cannot reproduce naturally with each other. In no way is that reason.

As someone wiser said (roughly) 'the earth is still elliptical even if you believe/claim it is flat.

Do you think its to paint her in a bad light for her interview?

oh god thats bad

Yep.

What irritates me is that Sapphos loves to demonise women she doesn’t like (usually with lies, as is evidenced on this thread) but fails to mention that her wife is a fully paid up member of the rabid trans activist brigade!