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KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples

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SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 14:10

KJK seems to have an ongoing beef with same sex couples having fertility treatment. Why? How is this benefiting women's rights?

Is is definitely not benefiting lesbian rights.

It also appears to be attracting all the homophobes on Twitter.

KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples
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Reddahlias · 22/02/2023 20:23

“opposing fertility treatment for gay couples”

Op, gay couples don't need fertility treatment.

They need a partner of the opposite sex!!

So you are totally wrong in your assertion.

Reddahlias · 22/02/2023 20:25

You wouldn't tell a straight woman to close her eyes and think of England while someone who isn't her husband impregnates her.

You'd be surprised what some women desperate for a child do!

Blister · 22/02/2023 21:09

Well that was a reach...
My sister won't have children.
Is she automatically infertile? Or do we have to ask actual medical questions first to find out or is relationship status enough?

FannyCann · 22/02/2023 21:21

Reddahlias · 22/02/2023 20:25

You wouldn't tell a straight woman to close her eyes and think of England while someone who isn't her husband impregnates her.

You'd be surprised what some women desperate for a child do!

This is true.

Visit the donor. Inception board and look out for talk of so called "natural" insemination 🙄🤷‍♀️🚩

Signalbox · 22/02/2023 21:24

SeasonsHeatings · 22/02/2023 19:55

Lesbian couple here who had a round of IVF on the NHS ✋

We didn't get it because we're gay though. My wife had some pre IVF tests done and found out she had a blocked Fallopian tube which ended up being removed. This made us eligible for a round on the NHS because she had fertility issues.

We use a donor, from the Scandinavian sperm bank and have 3 children. They know all about the donor and can contact him when they're older. They can also contact siblings. We have a full family medical record check. They have more information on their donor family than I know about my biological family 😂

Being a lesbian couple does not make you infertile. But you can be an infertile lesbian.

That's interesting. So infertile lesbian couples are entitled to IVF on the NHS. But there needs to actually be fertility issues for you to be eligible?

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 21:24

Blister · 22/02/2023 21:09

Well that was a reach...
My sister won't have children.
Is she automatically infertile? Or do we have to ask actual medical questions first to find out or is relationship status enough?

You have to perform medical investigations to assess fertility, as you know. What do you mean your sister won’t have children - she doesn’t want to or what? Sorry I find your post confusing. No idea what you are actually trying to say

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SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:24

Two women will need help from a fertility clinic if they are to procreate.

Claiming this is not a fertility issue is claiming two women who wish to procreate should not be able to access fertility treatment.

This is homophobic.

Honestly the homophobia on this thread is quite shocking.

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Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 21:26

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:24

Two women will need help from a fertility clinic if they are to procreate.

Claiming this is not a fertility issue is claiming two women who wish to procreate should not be able to access fertility treatment.

This is homophobic.

Honestly the homophobia on this thread is quite shocking.

Two women can’t procreate. That is not a fertility issue it’s a human biology issue. What homophobia? Again no one has a right to have a child.

beastlyslumber · 22/02/2023 21:27

Sorry OP but that's nonsense.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 22/02/2023 21:28

Claiming this is not a fertility issue is claiming two women who wish to procreate should not be able to access fertility treatment.

No, it is saying that it is not a fertility issue. It says nothing about whether they should be entitled to assisted reproduction (whether or not paid for by the tax payer).

Brokendaughter · 22/02/2023 21:30

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 15:55

I’m wondering what it is you think “fertility” means? Do you think a single woman who wants a baby outside of a relationship has fertility issues? If lesbian couples have “fertility issues” (in absence of any medical problems that might prevent them from becoming pregnant) presumably you must also think this applies to single childless women. Or is it the being in a relationship with “the person you love” that creates the infertility?

I am talking about gay equality. If you support lesbians having equal rights then you would support the NHS treating them the same as heterosexual couples.

The NHS does not offer surrogacy and I don't believe it funds IVF for single women. It does fund donor sperm IUI and IVF for male factor infertility in straight couples. Therefore if you believe lesbians should have equal rights the NHS should fund donor spend IUi and IVF for lesbian couples.

Therefore two women being unable to procreate IS a fertility issue.

I think Lesbians should of course have the same rights as a couple that a heterosexual couple have.

However, I do not personally believe anyone should have access to any form of 'infertility' treatment, or conception assistance as part of the NHS.
I don't think it should be available privately either.

Having a child is not a 'right' & not every person who wants one will be fortunate enough to become a parent.

It is possible to not agree with practices such as IVF or surrogacy & still support the equal treatment of those in same sex relationships.

DemiColon · 22/02/2023 21:30

This is the same logic that leads to the claim that not treating transwomen in every way like women is transphobic.

Artificial reproductive technology is generally accessed through things called "fertility clinics."

But they can be used by anyone. Even totally fertile people could use these technologies. That doesn't make it a "fertility treatment".

It's not difficult to see why so many people get sucked into gender ideology when people honestly think that it's discrimination to accept the realities of human biology. It's the same thinking that claims that any disparity between identity groups means there is an underlying bias that needs to be socially engineered out of existence.

OhHolyJesus · 22/02/2023 21:31

Honestly the homophobia on this thread is quite shocking.

Yes that's the shocking part of this thread 🙄 not the denial of biological reality or the making of wild, libellous claims of homophobia of a woman who in 48 hours or so is due to be interviewed by the police for the same wild claims.

Oh. The homophobia.

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SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:32

Op, gay couples don't need fertility treatment. They need a partner of the opposite sex!!

This is homophobic. Lesbians are constantly being told they need a partner of the opposite sex.

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Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 21:35

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:32

Op, gay couples don't need fertility treatment. They need a partner of the opposite sex!!

This is homophobic. Lesbians are constantly being told they need a partner of the opposite sex.

Lol! They do need male input to have a baby. Do you not get that? It’s not homophobic. Talk about a reach

Signalbox · 22/02/2023 21:35

Honestly the homophobia on this thread is quite shocking.

Lol nobody cares. Calling people "phobic" for having a difference of opinion is shitty behaviour. Nobody on this thread is "phobic". They just don't share your view that being in a same sex relationship causes infertility.

TheSingingBean · 22/02/2023 21:41

This thread is nuts, I'm struggling to believe the op isn't a wind-up.

Happylittlechicken · 22/02/2023 21:45

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:32

Op, gay couples don't need fertility treatment. They need a partner of the opposite sex!!

This is homophobic. Lesbians are constantly being told they need a partner of the opposite sex.

Maybe that was phrased wrong @SapphosRock maybe they meant they need input from the opposite sex. Which they do. No sperm = no baby.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/02/2023 21:46

Happylittlechicken · 22/02/2023 21:45

Maybe that was phrased wrong @SapphosRock maybe they meant they need input from the opposite sex. Which they do. No sperm = no baby.

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Yes i thought that was obvious

they just need the sperm, not the male

beastlyslumber · 22/02/2023 21:47

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:32

Op, gay couples don't need fertility treatment. They need a partner of the opposite sex!!

This is homophobic. Lesbians are constantly being told they need a partner of the opposite sex.

Reality is not homophobic.

You need sperm and eggs to make a baby. That's not homophobic, it's just biology.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/02/2023 21:50

PaleBlueMoonlight · 22/02/2023 21:28

Claiming this is not a fertility issue is claiming two women who wish to procreate should not be able to access fertility treatment.

No, it is saying that it is not a fertility issue. It says nothing about whether they should be entitled to assisted reproduction (whether or not paid for by the tax payer).

absolutely

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SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:50

they just need the sperm, not the male

Yes they do. Which makes it a fertility issue!!!

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beastlyslumber · 22/02/2023 21:52

This is crazy!!

EndlessTea · 22/02/2023 21:53

TheSingingBean · 22/02/2023 21:41

This thread is nuts, I'm struggling to believe the op isn't a wind-up.

I believe it’s part wind up, but it also demonstrates how obfuscating language like ‘equal reproductive rights’ can lead people to think that biology/reality itself is somehow unfair, homophobic or transphobic, because it doesn’t let two people of the same sex create babies like heterosexuals and it won’t let people decide they are male or female.

They need to get a grip, stop the wishful thinking and accept reality.

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 21:53

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:50

they just need the sperm, not the male

Yes they do. Which makes it a fertility issue!!!

No it is not. It is a biology issue. They could both be in perfect health fertility wise, they still could not conceive between them.