KJK v the Police this Friday

[Birdsweepsin]

Kellie is still getting harassed by TRAs it seems. Come and support if you can at Trowbridge Police Station, midday on 24th Feb.

She asked for carrots this afternoon to help pay her legal fees and she is close to 5 and a half already, more than the 3 she needed urgently. What a woman.

I wonder if we should write a letter to Suella Braveman, Rishi Sunak and the relevant PCCs about it?

This is exactly the kind of police timewasting we’ve been told must stop, on top of that, trust in the police is at an all time low, so persecuting a woman’s rights activist is not a good look, neither is their ideological bias.

if it falls into a category of an offence, then it needs to be investigated

The vast majority of reported offences aren’t investigated in any way. You just get given a crime number and ignored.

Her entire day at the Brighton Let Women Speak event was recorded on camera. She has given the police all the footage. So it should be perfectly possible to 'investigate' without senior police being involved, let alone spending days driving across the country to interview her.

If you have an allegation made against an individual and the complainant is willing to support a prosecution and provide a statement - then an investigation should commence. This may included an interview on who ever the allegation is made against.

Anything else is falling into the 'failing to investigate' category.

It's my understanding that all her rallies are filmed, therefore, anyone could be a witness, just by watching the footage.

Kellie Jay does not mince her words, and someone will have tried to get an interpretation that crosses the line.

Given that what she is doing is reacting to rank and provable misogyny, homophobia, and so much line crossing, the line is a dot in the distance, I personally think they will probably drop it.

But as other people have said, the punishment is the process. The more they go after her, though, the easier it will be to prove a pattern and to challenge its lawfulness.

it doesn't make it any less stressful for her, of course.

But the police must apply some kind of logic to this. Look at all the time the police wasted on harassing Kellie the first time, for simply saying that it's wrong to take a 15 year old child to Thailand to be castrated on their 16th birthday.

heathspeedwell

Great - so that is her evidence which she can submit

What is the evidence from the complainant? Doe they have similar footage to submit which proves the offence?

Do we know that her camera wasn't turned off at some point or something has happened off camera.

Was her camera on from when she left her house to when she returned to it?

‘Failing to investigate’ is the norm ime

Thanks for that, Birdsweepsin. Jenni Russell had a very powerful article in yesterday's Times about how the police are failing to prosecute burglaries, fraud, rapes and any number of other crimes. It seems unbelievable that they have time to pursue something like this.

It's such a clear misuse of police time and funds, I'm shocked that anyone can try to justify it.

Yeah "ACAB, except when we use them to harrass women" maybe not a great look?

It's a good thing there aren't any murders, rapes or burglaries going on that they can afford to send a DI to handle this.

Somebody is just trying to stop her going to Australia.

Except when it comes to hurty words.

The fact that so many police forces are signed up to Stonewall and spend lots of money on training from very self interested groups and organisations determined to remove women's rights, calls into question their neutrality.
This is not a neutral act as they're no longer unbiased. They're the enforcement arm of Stonewall and their mates.

Is there a plan? I could get to Trowbridge for about 12:40, but don't know if this is any good?

Would have a noisy 2.5yo DS with me. He loves joining in with a shouted slogan.

RoyalCorgi

Failing to prosecute is very different to failing to investigate.

All crimes should be investigated to the point where a realistic prospect of prosecution is negated. Whether that is down to insufficient evidence to proceed or the victim wishing to withdraw the complaint etc etc

Here, we have a reporting person who presumably wishes to pursue their complaint with an identified suspect - so it should be investigated. And its not really wasting police time - the interview will last about 20 minutes, statement form the reporting person a similar length of time. Then a file to the next gatekeeper in the process. All quite normal and response cops will have about 20 inquiries or so like this at any one time.

And its not just down to 'hurty words' as there is no such offence. There will be a specific offence in law which is being investigated.

Also, just because her solicitor spoke to a DI, it doesn't mean the DI is investigating it. The DI is technically responsible for all crime investigations in their area. They may also be able to make pre-interview disclosures to solicitors if they contact police and the OIC is not available to take the call. It will depend how things are set up in their force.

Presumably KJK's solicitor has advised her to attend for the interview then?

Listening to Times Radio last night and the appalling statistics on crime detection my blood was boiling because I was thinking about this complete waste of time and money. It's madness and bloody sinister too.

Vebrithien · Today 13:21

Would have a noisy 2.5yo DS with me. He loves joining in with a shouted slogan.

Are you sure it's a good idea to teach a toddler "Fuck da Police!"?

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What is this nonsense? Of course the police are under no obligation to participate in harassment by interviewing KJK every time someone makes an allegation about her. Hopefully her lawyers may be talking to them about investigating the harassment she is being subjected to by these malicious reports.

We all know what KJK believes, we all know she's blunt, everything she stands for is out there on video, if it was a crime she would have been prosecuted long ago. It is not a crime to believe men aren't women or to say so.

thirdfiddle

Her beliefs are not what is getting investigated here

A complainant makes a complaint to the police. What ever the specifics are to that complaint (and none of us know what the specifics are) this has been classified as a crime in law.

So if its classified as a crime, the police should investigate.

If there is a named suspect to the crime, then they should be interviewed as part of that inquiry

As has already been said, we all know that the process is the punishment. Having this drawn out "investigation" and having to spend the mental energy to deal with it. It will come to nothing, and nothing will be done about using the police as a tool to harass women being unruly enough to speak out in public.

RoseslnTheHospital

Like i said above - we don't know what the specific allegation is here. There is no such offence as 'speaking out in public'

If the allegation can be proven to be malicious, then KJK can make a counter complaint against the accuser.

I see resident our policesplainer has turned up to tell us silly women how the law works and KJK isn't really being harassed by the police. How many times has she been threatened with arrest and interviewed now?

The way the police are treating this issue you would think they were over funded and didn't know what to do with their time.

Maybe we could save some tax payer money by making a few DI's redundant, they must have quite a few with fuck all to do if this is how they are spending their time.

FOJN

As I said above - the DI won't be investigating this. It will be a response cop who has another 15-20 other ongoing investigations to contend with as well as the incoming jobs

So no - we don't have plenty of time to be messing about - and if we can get rid of jobs at source which are going no-where, we do.