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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender prisoner “identifies as a baby”

29 replies

throwaway201809 · 20/02/2023 12:51

Apologies for the daily mail link!

Currently being housed in Scotland’s only woman only prison. They’ve gone to the press unhappy that their case is being reviewed (all transgender prisoners are being reviewed).

I just can’t get past the “identifying as a baby” part! Where does it end?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11771209/Transgender-killer-strangled-cellmate-identifies-baby-says-fears-mens-jail.html

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Probablymagrat · 20/02/2023 13:39

I can only think of four reasons they might be doing this. They are either mentally ill, indulging in sexual kinks, trying to pull a fast one to get access to vulnerable women, or pulling a fast one to get a cushy time in a womens prison.

So they should either be recieving treatment in a men's prison for their mental illness, or stop being indulged and told to suck it up as they did the crime and got the time.

They can identify as they like, but should get no special treatment for it. Just like a toddler throwing a tantrum, nothing should be gained by this behaviour.

And as for the claim they are vulnerable in a men's prsion, well so are lots of prisoners, not least ex police officers and sex offenders, and the prison service can keep them safe. And if they cannot keep them safe its the service needs to changed not the housing of men in women's spaces.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 20/02/2023 13:44

I mean, he killed another male prisoner and yet it was ok to move him to the female estate.

What's Humza got to say about this then? Is this another 'fake' transperson?

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 13:45

'Eastwood has said that Bryson has 'exploited the system' and made 'genuine trans prisoners less safe.''

Confused
ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 13:46

'She said: 'It's really ­unfortunate because the public's view of trans people generally has now been damaged but not by the behaviour of any trans person.'

Eastwood's own conduct whilst incarcerated has been controversial.

After announcing she was a baby last year, Eastwood demanded guards hold her hand and also asked for nappies and baby food.'

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 13:48

Bit more on Eastwood:

'In 2008 Eastwood, then 23, was given an extra 10 months for a violent attack in which he punched a male prison guard several times, reportedly while on a rare break from a specialist segregation unit, indicating the prisoners’ unsuitability to be housed in the general population.'

'In 2016, a female prison officer employed by G4S was forced to resign after Eastwood used information he had gathered on her life and her family to intimidate her while she was escorting him on a hospital visit.'

'May 2018*

Eastwood was reportedly moved to HMP Polmont after what the media euphemistically call being “openly intimate in front of others” while outside and “letting things all hang out” i.e. having public sex with fellow trans-identified male murderer Alan Baker/Alex Stewart in HMP Greenock.'

'April 2022*

The Daily Record reports that Eastwood has “told the prison governor at Polmont jail that she [sic] wants to identify as a baby, wear nappies and have meals blended like baby food” and also demanded that prison officers hold her [sic] hand when she [sic] is escorted from her cell.”'

transcrimeuk.com/2018/02/13/daniel-eastwood/

Thesharkradar · 20/02/2023 13:49

I think he needs to think it through a bit more, he could identify as a prison guard and ask to be given the keys, or identify as an innocent person and demand to be set free 🤷

Thesharkradar · 20/02/2023 13:51

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 13:45

'Eastwood has said that Bryson has 'exploited the system' and made 'genuine trans prisoners less safe.''

Confused

I'd be interested to know what are his criteria for being considered a genuine trans person?

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 13:54

I'd be more interested to know what SPS and Humza Yousaf's criteria are, given that they apparently consider Eastwood to be genuine enough to be housed in Cornton Vale, but Bryson not genuine.

RoseslnTheHospital · 20/02/2023 14:09

If this was reported as "prisoner pretends to be a baby" or "prisoner role plays as a baby" or "prisoner believes that he is a baby" or similar then it would be very obvious that this person is either mentally ill, or trying to game the system.

"Identifying as a baby" is not any kind of identity that needs accepting or being automatically kind about. As previously said, it's either a mental illness, a sexual fetish or an affectation.

Why there's no wider public disapproval of this person being in a women's prison is puzzling.

Blessedwithsunshine · 20/02/2023 14:14

Maybe next week he will identify as a cat and request a move to an animal hospital.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/02/2023 14:16

It’s totally logical

if a man who enjoys role playing as a woman is literally a woman, then a man who enjoys role playing as a baby is literally a baby. He can’t be expected to eat solid food, not until he cuts some teeth.

oh, he has some teeth? Well he also has a dick and he’s still a woman. Get with the programme!

look I don’t make the rules. I suggest you take it up with Judith Butler

Probablymagrat · 20/02/2023 14:21

If he really is this divorced from reality, he should be in a secure hospital where he can get treatment. But I doubt that he is, he is just trying to access vulnerable women to victimise.

Sadly I think it will take a prison officer to be killed by a man pretending to be a woman before these crazy policies are revoked.

They won't care if a woman prisoner gets killed, because they are not seen as worthy of consideration anyway.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 20/02/2023 14:22

If they are a baby they shouldn't be in prison at all, they are below the age of criminal responsibility. They should appeal their conviction.

That would shine some light on the situation

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 20/02/2023 14:29

They referred to Cornton Vale as 'Scotland's only all-female jail', yet the whole article clearly gives the lie to this.

Also a very interesting quote: "I have no history of gender violence", when you have strangled somebody with a shoelace. 'Yes, I am an extremely violent murderer; but I don't do gender violence.'

ditalini · 20/02/2023 14:29

He strangled a man to death with a shoe lace.

And he's presenting himself as the face of vulnerable prisoners? He took a shoe lace and used it to end his cellmate's life.

Blessedwithsunshine · 20/02/2023 14:30

ditalini · 20/02/2023 14:29

He strangled a man to death with a shoe lace.

And he's presenting himself as the face of vulnerable prisoners? He took a shoe lace and used it to end his cellmate's life.

Thats one hell of a strong baby.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/02/2023 14:32

Quite unusual for a baby to strangle a grown man to death with a shoelace I’ll grant you

in fact this might be the only case I’ve ever heard of

but he really, really enjoys role playing as a baby, so he definitely is one 👍

littlbrowndog · 20/02/2023 14:33

How is this violent man in a woman’s prison

scotland. Unbelievable

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 20/02/2023 14:34

And he's presenting himself as the face of vulnerable prisoners? He took a shoe lace and used it to end his cellmate's life.

Yes, indeed.

"I believe I'm in the right place and don't think I could survive in the male estate."

Well, considering that your male cell-mate couldn't survive in the male estate, as a direct result of your actions, it's not really helping to paint you as a special vulnerable case, now, is it? What is it with these people? Is it extreme chutzpah, severe delusion or pure narcissism?

HappinesDependsOnYou · 20/02/2023 14:36

I can't get passed the point that someone who killed another by strangling them with a shoe lace "fears they will not survive". She didn't do too bad at surviving the first time as a male in a male prison.

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 14:37

Is it extreme chutzpah, severe delusion or pure narcissism?

Possibly all three, but the thing is that one would expect all of that among the population.

One just doesn't expect policy to be based on accommodating these delusions, lies, or manipulations.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 20/02/2023 14:41

Thesharkradar · 20/02/2023 13:49

I think he needs to think it through a bit more, he could identify as a prison guard and ask to be given the keys, or identify as an innocent person and demand to be set free 🤷

You could be a criminal mastermind!

hryllilegur · 20/02/2023 14:47

every quotation from Eastwood makes it abundantly clear that it’s all about Eastwood and how Eastwood feels.

I, I, I. Me, me, me.

Beeswood · 20/02/2023 14:49

Every day there's something else.
Baby (his new identitywhich of course I will abide by) should have stayed in the segregation unit of the male prison.
Why is it we never hear anything about Trans Men, but it's non stop about Trans Women?

Probablymagrat · 20/02/2023 14:55

The more these horrific decisions are publicised the better, they each make the public question the trans issue more and I believe will damage the TWAW campaign.

Its really sad that a right wing rag like the Daily Mail seems to be the main source of these stories.

Its leaving the issue open to be hi-jacked by the extreme right, as part of their anti-woke 'family value' lies, and will be incorporated into their vile racist, pro-life, homophobic and anti-semetic beliefs.

I think its really a feminist and anti-homophobic issue and I think it should sit better with the Left of centre, but the left are all so keen to be seen to be inclusive and accepting of this nonsense.

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