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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Humza says Isla Bryson is pretending to be trans.

81 replies

Rainbowshit · 20/02/2023 12:23

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But...but...but we were told our fears that predators would pretend to be trans to access female spaces were invalid and bigoted?! 🤔

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potniatheron · 20/02/2023 15:54

B...b...but I thought that tRaNs pEoPLe aRe wHo tHeY sAy tHeY aRe

Alltheprettyseahorses · 20/02/2023 16:06

Bryson is as trans as any other transperson and I mean that genuinely. It is totally irrelevant whether or not Bryson fits Yousaf's narrow idea of what that means. I imagine Yousaf wouldn't find anyone who matches up to it.

Abhannmor · 20/02/2023 16:28

Isn't this the No True Scotsman fallacy?

How bloody appropriate

nilsmousehammer · 20/02/2023 16:38

Alltheprettyseahorses · 20/02/2023 16:06

Bryson is as trans as any other transperson and I mean that genuinely. It is totally irrelevant whether or not Bryson fits Yousaf's narrow idea of what that means. I imagine Yousaf wouldn't find anyone who matches up to it.

They all seem absolutely stuck on this idea of the fully transitioned, sweet, slightly fraud committing, unicorn accountant.

I understand he's been spotted grazing in the mists on the highlands occasionally when the moon is full, but there's never been a photograph, or one held in captivity.

JellySaurus · 20/02/2023 17:02

Alltheprettyseahorses · 20/02/2023 16:06

Bryson is as trans as any other transperson and I mean that genuinely. It is totally irrelevant whether or not Bryson fits Yousaf's narrow idea of what that means. I imagine Yousaf wouldn't find anyone who matches up to it.

Absolutely. What all transwomen have in common, regardless whether they are full-time/part-time/recent/CSH/surgery/au naturel/criminal/law-abiding, what they all have in common is that they are men.

Kucinghitam · 20/02/2023 17:16

Alltheprettyseahorses · 20/02/2023 16:06

Bryson is as trans as any other transperson and I mean that genuinely. It is totally irrelevant whether or not Bryson fits Yousaf's narrow idea of what that means. I imagine Yousaf wouldn't find anyone who matches up to it.

Exactly. All the muppets chanting "A woman is anyone who says they're a woman!" now falling over themselves to add the caveat "But not that one! That one is fibbing!"

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 17:22

Kucinghitam · 20/02/2023 17:16

Exactly. All the muppets chanting "A woman is anyone who says they're a woman!" now falling over themselves to add the caveat "But not that one! That one is fibbing!"

100%.

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 17:24

nilsmousehammer · 20/02/2023 16:38

They all seem absolutely stuck on this idea of the fully transitioned, sweet, slightly fraud committing, unicorn accountant.

I understand he's been spotted grazing in the mists on the highlands occasionally when the moon is full, but there's never been a photograph, or one held in captivity.

With the recent image of herds of wild boobies thundering across the glen in the background, ambushing unsuspecting woodwork teachers, it's all looking very bucolic.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 20/02/2023 17:31

I couldn’t care less whether Bryson’s pretending to be trans. Same goes for Karen White, Pips Bunce, Dylan Mulvaney and that Canadian teacher. This isn’t about whether they actually have dysphoria. It’s about them being men.

Calmdown14 · 20/02/2023 17:55

Oh I do hope he wins.

I think if Ash or Kate do then it will just disappear (especially Kate who is keen to avoid the fact she could have voted). This keep it in the headlines and by his track record with everything else will be an utter disaster but with plenty of sunlight.

I want them to be forced to defend it to show how utterly I defensible it is. Because if Nicola couldn't he has no chance (and will likely last about as long as Liz truss)

nilsmousehammer · 20/02/2023 18:25

EmpressaurusOfCats · 20/02/2023 17:31

I couldn’t care less whether Bryson’s pretending to be trans. Same goes for Karen White, Pips Bunce, Dylan Mulvaney and that Canadian teacher. This isn’t about whether they actually have dysphoria. It’s about them being men.

Yes.

Doesn't this illustrate the thinking though? That the main thing about Trans in the mind of Humza is his support for their right to force entry to and own women's spaces.

Which gives him a problem, as there are three positions here.

  1. Any male who identifies as T can use women's spaces, women have no say in this, there are no boundaries or gatekeeping on this in any way and women's safety and rights are irrelevant as those males have become women. If women rape and murder women then oh well, ( entirely toothless individual risk assessment vaguely waved) and it's for the 'greater good'. Women's human rights, privacy, dignity etc in this is just abandoned for the benefit of men.

  2. Some males who identify as T can use women's spaces, women still get no say in this, but superior thinking people in positions of responsibility will take into account things like the electorate thinking they've lost their minds and the basic human rights of women becoming a bit of an issue, and will decide which males do and do not get the right to harass, intimidate, exclude and invade women's spaces, privacy and dignity. This means that T is going to be gatekept and cannot be self ID.

  3. Any male who identifies as T is T, respected as T and services provided with all protections and accessibility that can be identified into at any time. This will include a range of mixed sex services designated for women alongside female only ones. No male regardless of identity is permitted to use female spaces or to have a legal fiction of being female.

He's faced up to that he can't cope with 1 and it's wrong, plus the electorate are not going to tolerate it because it's unacceptable on multiple fronts. He's now struggling with 2, and hasn't yet clocked it's actually the most prejudiced and unfair position of the lot. I'll wait for him on 3. There is honestly no other way to square this circle.

TheBiologyStupid · 20/02/2023 18:26

Workerbeep · 20/02/2023 12:29

But surely this goes against their GRR?

is he saying that the criteria set out in the GRR is wrong?

Absolutely this! I really hope that he is making his true trans detector available to the Scottish Prison Service and the operators of single-sex services and facilities...

Chersfrozenface · 20/02/2023 18:40

Surely we all need a TruTrans Detector (TM) for store fitting rooms, public toilets, gyms and leisure centre changing rooms etc.

I also trust they will be available free of charge.

TheBiologyStupid · 20/02/2023 18:44

I want them to be forced to defend it to show how utterly I defensible it is. Because if Nicola couldn't he has no chance (and will likely last about as long as Liz truss).

Now that sounds fun to watch!

PIKNIK20 · 20/02/2023 19:26

Humza reverse ferreting already...

Tratjymp · 20/02/2023 19:29

I saw this and thought of him.

Humza says Isla Bryson is pretending to be trans.
TheBiologyStupid · 20/02/2023 19:31

Yes, that's a great cartoon from the latest Eye!

GailBlancheViola · 20/02/2023 19:50

heathspeedwell · 20/02/2023 12:46

This is wonderful news. If he can tell the real transwomen apart from the fake ones, then he needs to get out there and get checking.

Perhaps he can start with the transwomen in women's prisons, hospital wards etc as an urgent priority?

He must be blessed with Layla Moran's extra special vision to see the soul inside the the person and can then determine whether their claims are real or not.

Why Layla Moran has not been designated the 'Soul Seeing Truth Finder General' I will never know just think how much time and effort that could save and now she appears to have a Deputy, wow, just think of the progress the two of them could achieve.

Boiledbeetle · 20/02/2023 20:07

nilsmousehammer · 20/02/2023 16:38

They all seem absolutely stuck on this idea of the fully transitioned, sweet, slightly fraud committing, unicorn accountant.

I understand he's been spotted grazing in the mists on the highlands occasionally when the moon is full, but there's never been a photograph, or one held in captivity.

There is apparently one photograph, but it's been written off as a forgery as he was standing next to a live fluffy haggis.

miri1985 · 20/02/2023 20:11

So lets say Isla Bryson sticks with their trans identity and goes out and takes another beauty therapy course where young women will be undressed in order to learn techniques, under the Scottish self ID who has a right to question IB's presence on the course? For all the talk of prisons and risk assessments, if these people aren't trans enough to be in a womens prison then why should they be allowed in a single sex space outside of prison?
Why is it only convicted rapists who might be taking advantage?

nilsmousehammer · 20/02/2023 20:31

Boiledbeetle · 20/02/2023 20:07

There is apparently one photograph, but it's been written off as a forgery as he was standing next to a live fluffy haggis.

Gosh. Was that the one taken by the Old Man of Lochnagar??

JellySaurus · 20/02/2023 20:57

if these people aren't trans enough to be in a womens prison then why should they be allowed in a single sex space outside of prison?

Quite.

mateysmum · 20/02/2023 21:01

nilsmousehammer · 20/02/2023 20:31

Gosh. Was that the one taken by the Old Man of Lochnagar??

Yeah I hear they had to take it twice because Nessie photobombed the first take.

Brokendaughter · 20/02/2023 21:19

So, if Humza or anyone else says that one individual who self ids as trans is not actually trans, then is Humza going to follow that individual around making sure they don't go into womens changing rooms & toilets, or rape shelters, or take jobs in hospitals where they examine vulnerable biological women?

After all, how are we supposed to know who the pretend ones are that we don't have to strip in front of if they want us to, so they feel included during their so called 'days of girlhood' without a man to tell us?

DuesToTheDirt · 20/02/2023 21:40

miri1985 · 20/02/2023 20:11

So lets say Isla Bryson sticks with their trans identity and goes out and takes another beauty therapy course where young women will be undressed in order to learn techniques, under the Scottish self ID who has a right to question IB's presence on the course? For all the talk of prisons and risk assessments, if these people aren't trans enough to be in a womens prison then why should they be allowed in a single sex space outside of prison?
Why is it only convicted rapists who might be taking advantage?

Thing is, Adam Graham was already taking advantage, without even a GRC, and no-one was allowed to question it. There was a lot of online comment re the college not knowing about the rape charges etc., but even without that the other women on the course were unhappy. So, we had a "transwoman" (no GRC) who was allowed to be intimate with young women, who were expected to go along with it or be labelled bigots.

It's not just a question of self-ID. He was allowed to do this without any kind of GRC - we need a real pushback here.

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