Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

[KnittingDiva]

My 14 year old DS has been telling me that among his age group now there is no tolerance for Trans/NB TikTok influencers and that they are being ridiculed etc..

This is a very different attitude than when my older two (17 and 19) were at that age and it was the start of that trend and they would have been overtly respectful on that issue (would have avoided it mostly but not ridicule).

It seems it is now seen as being an 'older' person trying to be cool with the kids and a bit creepy.

Anyone else noticed this change or is it just here (Rep of Ireland)?

Indeed Crypto. She has a friend starting on testosterone. I'm hoping no free samples come her way.

Thank goodness for this. I hope this trend continues. Most teens I know are quite easy going and don't really care or mind about most things, what someone presents as, but do think this is all bullshit re pronouns, men competing in women's hockey etc.

My teenagers ignore them. Too much trouble if they ‘misgender’

I'm on TikTok, and either the algorithm now knows me really well, or the tide is turning.

I've seen many more people actively holding people like Dylan, Jeffrey and that other boy whose name I forget to account. I've also seen many more trans people coming out and saying actually, trans women are trans women, not the same as women. And I've just started to see a trend of men and women who might have previously wholeheartedly endorsed the ideology, now questioning it. The article in the NYT and the farce with Nicola Sturgeon, as well as many American clinics banning treatment for minors has done a lot.

the Isla Bryson/Adam Graham issue peaked more than a few people

My daughter who was very onboard with trans ideology, realised that the man who sexually assaulted her, could have claimed to be a women and she would have had to stand up in court and describe his penis and what he did with it and then he could have been sent to a female prison.

Sorry I didn't actually answer your question - my teenage kids are pretty oblivious to the whole thing, but I'm seeing many more young people on TikTok having a more 'negative' opinion. Also a lot more people saying JK Rowling did nothing wrong.

Brilliant.

What's wrong with trans women are trans women anyway? As long as they are protected from crime and live the life they chose, surely logically trans women know they cannot change biology but can live as a trans woman. I don't think the radical lot of TRA have helped people who just want to go about their life and not enter women's safe spaces/sports/refuges/sex clinics.

People like JKR, Prof Winston etc who speak up are bayed at or insulted but ultimately you cannot argue with facts.

IME end of year 8 & year 9 are the ‘coming out’ years and then 6th form (if different location to school) are the ‘going back in’ years.

So true in DD's year at an all girls' selective (and Stonewalled) school. I have been interested to see that the 'first to declare' transboy in her Y8 form has now (in 6th form) reverted to her given name and no longer uses male pronouns.

I'm also interested to see the strong correlation with autism being acknowledged more widely, although I think teachers, parents and clinicians have been aware of this for years.

It used to be completely impossible to talk to DD (now 17) about any of this, ever since she started in Y7. She used to burst into tears and tell me I was 'literally hurting' trans people if I questioned any of it. She's recently been able to engage in slightly more reasonable discussion about biological sex, male puberty and women's safety in sport and prisons. Partly just greater maturity and associated critical thinking skills I think, plus some wearying friendship experiences over the years, such as keeping up with frequent name and pronoun changes.

Having said that I visited DS (21) at university yesterday and realised when I got up that I'd been sitting having coffee in his girlfriend's room under a TWAW sticker on the noticeboard above my head. I still wouldn't dare raise it with that age group.

I know, right?!

I watched this one young woman today who basically said she'd always gone along with 'JK is transphobic' but after the article she actually looked at the tweets. She was completely baffled by it.

It did irritate me though, she was very confused as to why women weren't saying anything - so I did leave a comment to say that women had been saying this for years, and for their troubles were kicked off social media platforms, arrested, and threatened with rape or death. She didn't respond but I hope it leads to a little more introspection for her and others!

I voted for Brexit. I am a Bennite Socialist (nationalisation of utilities etc. the social contract rather than the patriarchal capitalism of neo-liberalism). Tony Benn, well to the left of Mr Corbyn, was against joining the EEC for the reasons I voted to leave it, that it impinged on UK sovereignty (it also did the working classes no good whatsoever since free movement kept down wages and removed opportunities for training - so much cheaper to get someone in from another country than train a local). Being pro-Bexit is not axiomatically right-wing any more than knowing that TWAW is a lie is axiomatically right-wing.

DGD1, ASD, 11 going on 15, just rolls her eyes when the subject is mentioned.

Once any fad becomes too popular people revile it and move on to something else.

The movie Heathers makes a mockery of the more hippy, "get in touch with your feelings" teacher who wants to have a circle of hugs after the spate of suicides (murders). The cool kids and some veteran teachers roll their eyes, but the vulnerable kids get caught up in the suicide contagion, cheered on by the activist teacher. I think today's TRA teachers with the "glitter family" "you're safe with me" overreaching is exactly the same thing. The Heathers teacher's behavior is both ridiculous AND a direct result of her massive ego. My niece had a similar teacher who came out as non-binary over COVID and gender is ALL the woman seems to talk about, centering herself as both leading the movement and elevating the gender fluid kids. Unsurprisingly, there's a group of kids who see these special kids as teacher's pets and roll their eyes behind their backs. History repeats.

Bloody love that film.
Especially when the head teacher says to her 'you'll call me when the rocket lands'

I think there is also recognition that a lot of kids (and parents of trans children) have been on the receiving end of manipulation and threats about self harm and suicide for either being 'transphobic' or misgendering and what not

So kids will stay away.

Ha. Therein lies the issue. They/them as in the labelling term. Not the actual people.

Great thought that you’ve given a good example as to why the terminology is open to confusion.

So yes I am super proud of my kids. Because they don’t jump to conclusions and understand the absurdity of a labelling system devised by a self serving minority who want the world to change for them or face the consequences of being labelled trans phobic.

Two girls including one who is autistic (14 and 13) both roll their eyes. I worried a lot about my dd who is autistic that she’d end up getting sucked into this ideology as she hates having breasts but we’ve avoided it and said she doesn’t get the whole pronoun thing. One teacher at her school (female) goes by Mx.

Friend who has always been quite gender critic has three daughters (17, 14 and 12). One is now non binary and goes by a made up name, the middle child is a furry and the youngest is autistic. Constantly see posts on her Facebook from Mermaids, Jeffrey Marsh etc.

Whilst I’m all for be kind, that doesn’t involve removing all critical thought especially as this ideology involves medical interventions in some cases.

I came across Jammidodger a while ago and wonder if Jamie will ever feel regret from the surgeries.

As someone with 1/3 kids suckered into this, I’m GLAD that the ideology is being mocked.

I’m also very supportive of kids and parents who are trying to give the whole thing a wide berth - it IS a social contagion and avoiding it and/or poking fun at it stops it spreading.

Believe me, if I could keep the genderwoo off of my own doorstep I bloody well would.

Being artificially nice to our kids in school /teachers policing pronouns on their behalf does not prepare our kids for the real world.

Teenagers need to learn resilience, not how to force their peers into begrudging compliance.

I think people are getting sick of the constant emotional manipulation where a wrong word (not meant in a derogatory way) is literal violence and any disagreement is seen as a death threat. If an eye roll is bullying, that’s is a very very sheltered life.

People are starting to say no thank you.

@Dymaxion very sorry about your daughter's experience, hope you both have the support you need

I don't think that's what OP said. "[A]mong his age group now there is no tolerance for Trans/NB TikTok influencers and that they are being ridiculed etc.." No mention of online ridiculing, just laughing with friends about the various self-promoting "Trans/NB TikTok influencers". At least, that's how I read it.

This could be another instance of the "British invasion" of the ' 60s, with any luck? Just this week The New York Times followed in the footsteps of the British (erstwhile) broadsheets like The Times by publishing a piece critical of "gender-affirming" medical care.

Granddaughters are not impressed, I’m glad to say.

The elder (17) had some hassle from schoolmates asking her if she’s trans, as she’s tall & geeky & gender-non-conforming, but she’s confident she’s female & that this is one of the ways to be so.

Younger granddaughter I had feared was more susceptible as she’s very sociable & agreeable & there are quite a few girls in her year identifying as boys (it’s an all-girl school).

But she seems to think they are hard work & not to be emulated.

Interesting. My friend has had problems with the School nurse pushing the ideology with her DD.

D'oh, that should have been "As you say, just this week The New York Times..."

That's a complete misrepresentation of the OP's post. And no one here has said anything about their children bullying anyone, let alone boasted about it.