Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

[KnittingDiva]

My 14 year old DS has been telling me that among his age group now there is no tolerance for Trans/NB TikTok influencers and that they are being ridiculed etc..

This is a very different attitude than when my older two (17 and 19) were at that age and it was the start of that trend and they would have been overtly respectful on that issue (would have avoided it mostly but not ridicule).

It seems it is now seen as being an 'older' person trying to be cool with the kids and a bit creepy.

Anyone else noticed this change or is it just here (Rep of Ireland)?

The US has a very long way to go before any changes, I am afraid. The political polarisation makes it almost impossible for the left to see any flaws in the ideology, and the recent CNN article on the Rowling interview (edition.cnn.com/2023/02/21/entertainment/jk-rowling-podcast-release-what-to-know-cec/index.html) pretty much shows what most progressive journalists, too, seem to think about this topic (because we now all have our own facts, too, it seems).

My daughter and her mates, who had jumped on the band wagon of defending the MOST MARGINALISED people of all time, have become very jaded by the constant demands/ expectation to centre the vocal trans people at all times. They can see that people aren't being transphobic or bigoted and the claims that the trans identifying students are being erased/harassed/their existence denied are being dismissed.
This will always be the case where a group expects other to prostrate themselves. It wears thin pretty quickly

I can't get my head round it either.

My GC gay friend and his husband can’t get their heads around it either.

Usually it's the older kids. 11 and 12 seem the prime age, sometimes 10.

By 4 to 12 do they mean school grade, not age?

In the UK these sorts of clubs seems to start in the first year of secondary, which is age 11 (year 7).

US 4th grade is about 10 years old, I think?

I saw a comment on an article about the recent influx in young women claiming to be 'male' which sums up a grim reality - "girls these days are bombarded with images of drag queens and porn stars. No wonder they don't want to be female"

Also the narrative or lack thereof - genuine 'mystery' - why don't girls want to be girls??? Like the answer isn't obvious, or is a result of a some new phenomenon - give girls the option not to be female and they jump at it. Quelle surprise, women don't want to fill traditional gender roles, roles they had no choice but to follow when society didn't give them any other choice - even a male name on your CV is a huge advantage

This.

Also, the pornification of social media has reached its tentacles to young pre-teens, so there are now more boys who get their sex education and ideas about what girls like or what they are for from porn. Then add the filtered faces of beautiful people on social media which almost none of use could match in real life but which teens are told IS real life.

Objectification is more cruel and starts earlier, so if someone offers a young girl a seemingly simple way out of it, many would take it.

I think I would have, at that age, because my brain was not yet able to see long-term consequences or understand that propaganda does not equal facts.

I was very lucky to be brought up without any gender stereotyping, but I remember very strongly when I realised that the physical advantage men had over me would affect my whole life. The dehumanisation that a 'porn' culture creates is deliberate and very dangerous to both men and women. How can young women verbalise their disagreement with something that they are encouraged to believe is normal and part of human behaviour? If their instinct tells them its wrong - they think they aren't proper women? This is social control designed to keep the stronger masses (young men) placated, so they don't rise up against our ruling class. Women are fair game.

I hear myself sometimes, in respect of what children are exposed to, thinking the unthinkable which is....Mary Whitehouse had a point...

I cant believe I have these thoughts sometimes. But I think she was right!

The idea that older women are 'out of touch' or 'prudish' is sexism at work - if young women listened to older, wiser women, they wouldn't be so eager to please men. The narrative that older women are controlling, prudish, disapproving of the young, is a lie - older women are the wisest faction of society. Divide and conquer. The developmental process naturally rejects the generation that came before, but this is manipulated to the extreme in our society in order to force a divide between child and parent. Alienation is easy to commercialise. When humans are left to nature, children who reject their parental ideals typically come back to them when in need of support - when having children themselves. Western society promotes a narrative that first time parents should magically know what to do, and those who don't are failures. When in reality, how does anyone know how to do anything the first time around with no teaching?

They have ways, old women...