Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

[KnittingDiva]

My 14 year old DS has been telling me that among his age group now there is no tolerance for Trans/NB TikTok influencers and that they are being ridiculed etc..

This is a very different attitude than when my older two (17 and 19) were at that age and it was the start of that trend and they would have been overtly respectful on that issue (would have avoided it mostly but not ridicule).

It seems it is now seen as being an 'older' person trying to be cool with the kids and a bit creepy.

Anyone else noticed this change or is it just here (Rep of Ireland)?

@Mykittensmittens That is so tough, don't have any experience of this but if it was me I would just sit tight, explain how you feel about it, be respectful and hope it will pass.

The original mention of 'ridicule' in the OP was my son and his friends ridiculing the prominent TicTokers (Jeffrey march, Dylan Mulvaney ..).
As others have said there is a massive difference between ridiculing online 'celebrities' especially ones who are mocking girls and women and bullying other kids.

Thanks for all the replies and interesting to see its not only my kids school. when my oldest (19 now) was about 16 he wouldn't even let me speak about the issue ' what did I know, only trans people should have a voice on the subject, its the same as what people thought of gay people in previous generations etc..'.

In a few years the shift in the culture is massive.

Do you think she should Be a bit Kinder?

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There are definitely some activist teachers who are forever pushing this stuff.

I don't agree. She's being skeptical which is a trait every girl needs!

Crypto somehow I managed to get dd to hang on with the name change until after GCSEs despite her being 16 now.

Blackpool has both one of the highest deprivation rates and the highest proportion of children in care in the country, and they also happen to have the highest rate of trans identifing young people.

I believe that in Canada, homeless and other vulnerable young people are actively targeted.

The sad thing is they, the “bearded little transmen “, will never recover, some of the effects of testosterone are irreversible, and some, like diminished bone density might only become apparent in the future. These poor kids have wrecked their health.

This is the problem right here isnt it, that the labelling of someone who is no nonsense, not easily groomed into it and is a critical thinker is 'a bit mean'.

Well done!

We’ve had some wavering and 6 months of desisting followed by a doubling down based on a new friendship group (met at an LGBT youth club that school referred to 🤦‍♀️)
Out of that school now tho and the appeal seems to be fading. Bit worried about her upcoming access to her Tony Blair Bux (New Labour Child Trust Fund) but trying to whistle nonchalantly about it all as nothing beds a rebellious teen in faster and harder than parental disapproval.

After the lockdown one girl returned to my granddaughter's primary school ( about 10 years old) and declared she was now a boy. The school had not come across this before, but they permiitted her to wear the PE tracksuit, rather than the girls school uniform.

The girl's friends, of a similar age, were confused and a bit upset when she insisted on calling them " transphobic" whenever they accidentally 'misgendered' her. That was not very kind. You see, It works both ways.

Many children and teenagers can see this for what it is, but they are still expected to bend over backwards and contort both themselves, and the language, in order to accommodate such preciousness.

I'm sure there are many children who have emotional and other difficulties in their family lives and in their own growing identity, but they don't expect to be centred and treated more specially than anyone else.

I think you are correct. This is a U.S exported phenomena and until the push back really takes hold there it will cling on everywhere else. Even though in The U.k we are leading the charge - we cannot do it in isolation.

Different countries are at different stages. Some only just adopting it; some having already legitimised Self Id; some just about to pass Self Id; some starting to draw back from child transition, and so on. hopefully

You are being wilfully hyperbolic.

Ha yes, that day's not welcome in our house either Crypto. I'm not nagging her to get a job either.

All the trans kids I am aware of, their mothers are fully on board. Not quite the rebellion I’m sure it should be.

This includes one teenager who has picked almost the same name as their sister! Which frankly I find a bit disturbing and says a lot about the dynamics in their family (she’s a golden child).

I think some are getting it now. Some realise that you might want to identify as a cat but it doesn't actually mean you are one or should be treated like one in the same way that saying you feel like you are a woman even though born male doesn't make you one.

I think the brighter ones realise that logically you cannot alter you sex and DNA is set at the sex you are born at but can alter your gender if you wish....

Nice to see some of the younger ones actually questioning the TRA brigade pushing the agenda.

The perverts trying to get into women's safe spaces hasn't helped the trans people just living quietly at all. The pervs/rapists using the trans ideology to further their warped ends doesn't help.

The US/UK differences came up on
another thread recently so just to reiterate what I said then, I do think it’ll be harder for the US to turn things around based largely on population size (as well as the two party system increasing adversarial attitudes).

It’s just much easier to capsize a small boat than a big ship.
Canada is more like England population wise (and NZ similar to Scotland) but both Canada and NZ have made difficult to reverse legal changes in recent years that the UK and the US have not (yet).

Ultimately intersectional ‘woke’ ideologies are unsustainable because ‘minorities’ are not a homogenous blob and the rights associated with one minority group can easily conflict with the rights associated with another.
Just one look at how diverse the current Tory government is in terms of race/ethnicity & religious beliefs and the idea that anyone non-white is politically progressive crumbles to dust.
Plenty of gay Tory MPs too (and the first trans MP, Jamie Wallis is also a Tory. The first trans MEP was a UKIPper).

Sadly, I think this is true. The kids know that they need to walk on eggshells with this stuff so they just avoid anyone who's involved with it.
Unfortunately, I've seen this in my friend group and hobby groups too. People start off supportive but they only have to be publicly chastised once and they'll just decide its not worth the potential conflict.

Very true - it's easy to make a mistake with a name when suddenly someone changes it and then the parents of the precious primary school kiddie run around shouting if a wee child accidentally uses the old gender or name.

It’s a rock and a hard place situation, isn’t it?

In some ways, a part time job might well be the sort of real-world experience that demonstrates that we cannot control how others perceive us, that lovely old folk and inquisitive kids will always see straight through the artifice and probably say so out loud.

And on the other hand, the last thing our kids need is access to cash to spend on testosterone and surgery, especially in the current climate, where any remaining safeguards are largely overridden by paying for it privately.

I try and keep the gender stuff as neutral as possible and point out that I wouldn’t happily nod along with any cosmetic surgeries for a teenager, whether that be silicone breast implants or a mastectomy.

Eyerolls from my 2 teenagers. Eldest says it’s the drama kids that keep changing pronouns

Oh, they're positive 😁👍...just not in a way they'd like

Could you advise them to 'wait and see if the technology improves in a few years'?

In time the damage of promoting changing gender with young children will be court cases (they have started) and young people failed by adults in education/social care and the other places where promotion of changing your gender was very 'in fashion'.

A couple of young people I know questioned and fortunately have sensible parents who didn't pursue the change requested at the time. They then became non binary and one is now back to the original sex and the other tom boy thankfully didn't take hormones to be 'more male' so continues as a tom boy as people did years ago. They were very lucky. With the wrong parents or wrong advice they could have actively arrested their birth sexual development and taken hormones which might have messed them up both physically and mentally as it has with others.

“The pervs/rapists using the trans ideology to further their warped ends doesn't help” Yep,
the Isla Bryson/Adam Graham issue peaked more than a few people

yep, and the children on the spectrum and the ones who are crying out for attention and changing gender or saying you are non binary gives you attention in spades. It also means everyone has to be careful not to 'mis-gender' you.

It's a sad situation, maybe sanity might return again? Here's hoping.