Rayner on the Isla Bryson case

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It's like they don't want to win.

Angela Rayner: ‘I overshare. Keir Starmer undershares’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a243ac9c-a7d0-11ed-999f-64d8c8a46b78?shareToken=bb096ff7b4ffc77b62d8a23af42fefd5

"Is Isla Bryson a woman? “The recent case?” Looking slightly thrown, she starts talking about guidelines, processes, safeguards, circumstances. “So from what I know about the case, I would not have been putting that person in a women-only prison.” But that wasn’t the question, so I ask again.

“Well, that person’s identifying as a woman now. But they’re right at the beginning of a transition — that they believe is right for them, however, and that’s fine. We respect that. That doesn’t mean to say by respecting it you instantly say, OK, well, that person then goes into a vulnerable space.”

Rayner keeps saying Bryson is “at the very start of the process” of becoming a woman, and keeps citing this as a reason why she should not be in a women’s jail. But Bryson began gender reassignment therapy back in 2020, shortly after she was charged. The SNP’s new Gender Recognition Reform Bill, which Labour voted for, would grant a gender recognition certificate (GRC) to any adult who declared they had been living in their acquired gender for just three months. In other words, had the law Rayner’s own party supports been in place when Bryson began her transition, she could by now have been legally female for more than two years. Even under the existing legislation, brought in by Labour in 2004, Bryson is by now eligible to apply for a GRC, although as far as anyone knows she does not have one. The Scottish Prison Service still remanded her to a women’s jail, though, because several years ago it quietly adopted a de facto self-ID policy — the very policy Rayner supports. By the logic of Rayner’s own stated beliefs, Bryson is categorically a woman.

Bryson, 31, claims to have known she was a woman since she was four. Does that mean she was a woman when she raped her victims? Rayner looks puzzled."

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I made a mistake,

i asked the two who said in the past they would vote labour what they would vote, 1 said labour and the other said spoil their ballot….and that child has been ‘i’ll vote labour’ for a few years now (i had to text them so there was a delay)

Worth noting how swiftly voting intentions in Scotland swung away from the SNP, after the Pink Leggings Photo.

People can change their minds very quickly when faced with outrageous absurdities like Isla Bryson's ladycock.

Well not only that datun

as someone pointed out upthread this poster thinks that women should be punished by being raped in prison but men should be rewarded by being able to rape women in prison

I say text…one is actually in his bedroom 🤔

I loved that you checked!

And I loved that you texted to ensure you had evidence!!!

There's been some amusing Twitter discussion about Rayner wrt Isla and this article. See this retweet of Hadley Freeman for example. This interview does reveal attitudes about silly mummies and what politicians think of us:

https://twitter.com/hadleyfreeman/status/1627044459434180609?s=46&t=tOLj3c4VvYXRXkFi3pGbaw

https://twitter.com/glosswitch/status/1627235530055249926?s=46&t=tOLj3c4VvYXRXkFi3pGbaw

"So many politicians just comfortably assumed "the stupid women on Mumsnet don't know what they're talking about and probably have some issue with gender non-conformity, which I don't cos I'm much cooler". They felt so comfortable signing up to whatever distanced themselves.

That the "stupid, pearl-clutching women" might be so much more in favour of gender non-conformity they believed 1) you don't need to lie to accept people and 2) women and girls should be allowed the word "no", just wasn't fathomable.

It is a pattern. Whatever the older woman whistleblower is saying, support the opposite, because she's low status. Then later on, claim "no one said anything" - because she's "no one" in your hierarchy.

Women are meant to board a pink bus, "sit down and have a cuppa", explain what issues we care about - but not those ones! Mummies understand care work and the pay gap and boring stuff, but not how all that relates to sex and gender, which is beyond us."

I wonder if Labour, with all their virtue signalling, will ever elect anything other than a privileged straight white male to lead their party?
I don’t vote Tory on principle, but the one things I will give them credit for, they have fielded and put women and minorities into the highest offices in the land. Something Labour would never dare to do.

ill save them on my phone in case i need to prove it 😀

@Forgotthebins overall at least in polling, women are more likely to say they accept transwomen as women than men are. It was women who set up the campaign to move that suicidal (and also violent) transwoman prisoner to the female estate a decade or so ago. As I'm an old bag that Rayner would no doubt ignore, the name escapes me - Vicki someone?

That Glosswitch eh!

An image can be powerful. Thinking of Emily T’s career after the white van pic, poor old Ed M, probably more

Labour can hide from this a bit easier though as they are in opposition. Nightmare for us if they get in first before a stinker

And don't forget all the women out there in high profile roles who are supportive of self ID, men are women if they say they are, women can have penises, etc. I'm always shocked at the number of women who are front and centre screaming about the bigotry of other women in trying to protect our single sex spaces, sports, etc. If all women were united on this issue it would be easy, but many simply don't get it and whatever polling the Labour party have done, they know that.

Nutshell.

That the "stupid, pearl-clutching women" might be so much more in favour of gender non-conformity they believed 1) you don't need to lie to accept people and 2) women and girls should be allowed the word "no", just wasn't fathomable.

Inspiring words!

Let's not forget all the institutional capture by gender ideology that has happened while the Tories have been in power & it's not even been their policy.

We must put as much press on tory politicians as all the other fuckers.

I agree pressure should be right now too. I’d say it is. It’s working slowly which is great.

I’d loathe to see all that and more lost if Labour get in.

@PretzelKnot and @LizzieSiddal
Also, leggings. The fact that the photo showed the muscular legs as well as his penis played a part. Really drove home that he was a man with man's strength.

I agree, @howmanybicycles.

Oh for goodness sake. Labour won’t get themselves cancelled if they say that sex is real and unchanging. The vast majority of people know that to be true.

On a similar theme I have been following this thread re literacy levels (and the link to reasoning skills), and that broadly 15% of adults in the UK have literacy skills of a 9-11 year old. There is a link in the OP that describes the different levels and skills needed to reach them.

Thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4743831-to-ask-what-you-think-your-reading-level-might-be?page=1

Extract from link in the OP:

The OECD defines literacy across six levels. People with Level 1 or below literacy skills are considered to have very poor literacy skills, while Level 3 is considered the minimum literacy skills required for coping with everyday life. The levels are defined as follows:

Below Level 1: Adults can read brief texts on familiar topics and locate a single piece of specific information. Only basic vocabulary knowledge is required and the adult is not required to understand the structure of sentences or paragraphs.

Level 1: Adults can read relatively short digital or print texts to locate a single piece of information that is identical to or synonymous with the information given in the question. Knowledge and skill in recognising basic vocabulary, determining the meaning of sentences, and reading short paragraphs of text is expected.

Level 2: Adults can make matches between the text, either digital or printed, and information. Adults can paraphrase or make low-level inferences.

Level 3: Adults are required to read and navigate dense, lengthy or complex texts.

Level 4: Adults can integrate, interpret or synthesise information from complex or lengthy texts. Adults can identify and understand one or more specific, non-central idea(s) in the text in order to interpret or evaluate subtle evidence-claim or persuasive discourse relationships.

Level 5: Adults can search for, and integrate, information across multiple, dense texts; construct syntheses of similar and contrasting ideas or points of view; or evaluate evidence based arguments. Adults understand subtle, rhetorical cues and can make high-level inferences or use specialised background knowledge.

In the thread there are examples of types of thinking that people can struggle with and that we should not take for granted that because we do it personally, others can. E.g. conditionality. One example given was “if you do not eat dinner you may be hungry in the morning”. This is rubutted by people saying “well I would eat dinner”. It is not hard to see the extension to “if you put a man in a women’s prison women are at harm” to “we are not putting men in women’s prison”. If you subscribe to TWAW that is. Hence Bryson is “the rapist”

There are also examples where playing logical or board games helps literacy and analytical skills. One can consume words but not necessarily understand them or nuance or draw conclusions.

The whole thread is well worth a read.

For anyone who hasn't seen the car-crash interview with Andrew Neil, here it is;

Holy Jesus fucking Christ. This woman is at risk of being in government.

I have never seen that before. Bloody hell.

It was a really simple question which she was completely unable to answer 😳