Liverpool - woman who distributed indecent images of children over WhatsApp has walked free from court.

[BoreOfWhabylon]

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/woman-distributed-indecent-images-over-26190141?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

"...officers seized a Samsung mobile phone on which they discovered 84 indecent images in category A - those graded as showing the most serious forms of abuse.

These included pictures and videos showing children aged as young as four being raped. Also found were 30 category B images and 35 in category C, which had been collected since October"

Except of course, the offender, Ketan Shende, is not a woman.

I'm so sick of all this. Women and children really don't matter do they?

If a person who is born a man (I don't know what is acceptable terminology on here these days) gets off on watching children being abused he should be sent to a male prison and hopefully feel even part of the fear those children felt.

I'm done with being "kind".

That's even before you start to consider the skewing of statistics and the fact that it is not only women prisoners who are at risk but the female prison staff.

The person in the photo is not a woman.

I know that he got a suspended sentence so is not going to prison but that is another thread on its own.

Whose the judge?

Whose the journo? These people should hang their fecking heads in shame.

Please can we not refer to this as child pornography? Pornography implies consent, children cannot give consent. They are images of child sexual abuse.

And that’s fair, Boiled. I think our strategies are quite different, I’m fighting off images of me as Dorothy in Oz in plaits and being forced to….can’t go on. Sorry. But giving you friendly wave, this thread is too hard for me now.

This. Over and over.

@Onnabugeisha 🍫🍷

Just to remind everyone to give feedback to this IPSO consultation on sex and gender reporting guidance

www.ipso.co.uk/what-we-do/consultations/public-consultation-on-guidance-on-reporting-of-sex-and-gender-identity/

@Onnabugeisha and @Boiledbeetle, I am so so sorry that you had to have such horrible people in your lives, but I am happy to see your strength afterwards.

Does anyone happen to know the sex breakdown on people who watch digitalised child abuse? I have never seen a female individual accused of it, but I am sure there are some. Still, this might be yet another crime statistics which tilts heavily male in terms of perpetrators. Or did, when data was collected on the basis of sex.

Holy shit.

Am I seriously reading people saying that he didn’t abuse children because he wasn’t physically doing it himself?

What.The.Fuck.

Offence analysis
TV licence evasion was the most common offence for which females were convicted in 2019.

In 2019, 74% of those convicted for TV licence evasion were female. This offence accounted for 30% of all female convictions, compared to 4% of male convictions.

Theft from shops was the most common indictable offence for which 34% of females and 14% of males were convicted in 2019.

Of the 34,300 defendants convicted for shoplifting, 9,600 (28%) were female. The custody rate for this offence was lower for female offenders (19%) than for males (26%).

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019

Of course, we don't know how many (if any) of those convictions resulted in custodial sentences.

Oops, I meant to add that it does, however, tell us something about the difference in patterns of male and female criminality.

@Boiledbeetle &@Onnabugeisha :💐
I know what it is like to feel so dead inside that nothing can reach you but that doesn't mean others don't feel violated by the knowledge of the continued exposure. It is continued child abuse.

Just to say I filled in the IPSO consultation.
I'm a retired journalist and life member of the NUJ and I could weep for what journalism has become on this issue and how some journalists have swallowed the gender ideology. There are many very honourable exceptions, of course.

The IPSO guidance on reporting gender issues seems to focus on fairness for trans identified people, mostly male ones, and has little in the way of how this impacts women, especially in changing perceptions of criminality. This matters enormously.
I quoted the Liverpool Echo story for illustration.

Well done @SiobhanSharpe

And I'm so sorry Boiled, Onna and Blister

Thanks @BoreOfWhabylon . But I'll have to bow out of that limelight. My abuse was not of a sexual nature. I never agreed it was abuse, I could not see it as abuse until much later in life. That's why I understand that not everyone perceives abuse the same way. Doesn't change the nature of the crime though...

Right, so, enough of that, I'm off to fill in an ipso consultation.

The male and female prison estates are two separate things - unless you’re suddenly advocating for men to be imprisoned with women just because that’s where the capacity in the prison system is?

There are spaces in women’s prisons, but very very few in men’s. And as we know, men commit more serious offences at a more frequent rate than women, hence the vast pressures on capacity in the male estate. The prison service has recently resorted to renting cells in police stations and paying the police overtime to supervise them as an emergency measure, that’s how little space there is in men’s prisons.

But none of that changes the fact that this is a man whose crimes appear to be counted as a woman’s, and that’s not fucking on.

Presumably the newspaper couldn't report he was convicted of possessing 84 category A images if it wasn't true. Please piss off with your patronising attitude that we're responding to sensationalist reporting.

84 images and videos showing children as young as 4 being raped.

These are real children being abused to cater to the sexual perversions of a POS man.

He continued offending even after he was released on bail after his initial arrest.

Why aren't you outraged that he didn't receive a custodial sentence?

What is wrong with you?

I’ve always thought that sentences for online sex abuse crimes against children were way too light. I also don’t really believe that any of the “rehabilitative activity” or “community sentences” work for sexual offenders. I’d much rather have people with these crimes in prison than some of the other crimes people are imprisoned for. I’ve worked with a few men with financial crime, who obviously deserved punishment, but who posed very little risk to others and low likelihood or reoffending, yet they did prison time.

Onnabugeisha · Yesterday 20:00

Sorry, but I disagree. To me, it’s bit like saying everyone who has seen an ISIS execution/beheading video is just as guilty as the actual terrorists doing the murdering and videoing.

Well, you can disagree with the law, but you are wrong. He has participated in the abuse, by helping to fuel the market for CSE images. He also made four images himself, even if it's not specified how.

He shares culpability with the makers of the images he downloaded, it's a point of law, if nothing else.

Not our crime and recording it as such must be challenged.

Furious about this. The headline should at the very least have said Transwomen and referred to his male birth name, so that other potential victims in his past could make the connection and have a chance to come forward

poor journalism
poor magistrate

no justice for his victims

I think we're all thinking that now