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Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

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ArabellaScott · 07/02/2023 19:27

reduxx.info/scotland-crossdressing-butcher-arrested-in-case-of-missing-child/

Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

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ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 08/02/2023 14:27

Perry34 · 08/02/2023 14:20

there’s no doubt the fucker is going to do time - he’s on the register apparently 🤷‍♀️

Hopefully that means this is automatic breach of previous conditions and he can be held on that basis until trial?

F4chrissakes · 08/02/2023 14:31

I have every sympathy for those who genuinely feel they are transgender, as in born in the wrong body. But sex perverts are crafty bastards. Transgenderism is but one way to disguise themselves to gain access to vulnerable people and children.

antipodeancanary · 08/02/2023 14:33

RhymesWithOrange · 08/02/2023 09:51

You are indeed behind the times.

Stonewall includes cross dressing as "trans" and in Scotland he most certainly would be accepted as a woman by the police and courts if that what he said he was.

Which he does. In fact he goes further and just says he's a woman. Wanker.

Boiledbeetle · 08/02/2023 14:36

F4chrissakes · 08/02/2023 14:31

I have every sympathy for those who genuinely feel they are transgender, as in born in the wrong body. But sex perverts are crafty bastards. Transgenderism is but one way to disguise themselves to gain access to vulnerable people and children.

But but but. You are mistaken dear poster. That NEVER happens!😐

Who knew, the women were right after all! Bad men will do all sorts, wether they choose to identify as men or women!

AmuseBish · 08/02/2023 14:46

You can't be born in the wrong body. It's not a thing that can happen. You can dislike your body, like 90% of everyone, but that doesn't mean you are in any way "the opposite sex". It means you dislike your body, possibly because of society's expectations of that kind of body.

Fink · 08/02/2023 14:51

I haven't clicked on the DM link out of principle, but the headline is baffling. Can anyone actually parse this as a sentence? Is Sturgeon herself being accused of misgendering this person by the trans lobby (I haven't seen that anywhere else), or has she publically called out the police or others for misgendering (haven't seen that either), or is it just that this case has brought a backlash against self-ID gender in general and she's had to answer questions on that?

Shelefttheweb · 08/02/2023 15:06

Fink · 08/02/2023 14:51

I haven't clicked on the DM link out of principle, but the headline is baffling. Can anyone actually parse this as a sentence? Is Sturgeon herself being accused of misgendering this person by the trans lobby (I haven't seen that anywhere else), or has she publically called out the police or others for misgendering (haven't seen that either), or is it just that this case has brought a backlash against self-ID gender in general and she's had to answer questions on that?

Maybe click on the link to the most widely read newspaper in the UK, and one which has actually been consistently covering this matter rather than sitting on your high horse?

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 08/02/2023 15:07

Fink · 08/02/2023 14:51

I haven't clicked on the DM link out of principle, but the headline is baffling. Can anyone actually parse this as a sentence? Is Sturgeon herself being accused of misgendering this person by the trans lobby (I haven't seen that anywhere else), or has she publically called out the police or others for misgendering (haven't seen that either), or is it just that this case has brought a backlash against self-ID gender in general and she's had to answer questions on that?

They are saying the police released a statement calling the suspect a 53 year old man, but under Nic’s directives the statement should’ve said 53 year old woman.

it’s a baffling headline because we’ve all be tied up in knots over language and undoing them is more complicated than it seemed!

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 08/02/2023 15:36

The GUARDIAN!!!!!!

Call him a man, he/him pronouns throughout, quietly state ‘also known as Amy George’ further down the piece.

Like putting a pill inside a bit of roast chicken in the desperate hope my dog doesn’t notice.

Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman
Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman
bringmethehorizontal · 08/02/2023 15:40

Boiledbeetle · 08/02/2023 13:50

Nicola's head must be going into 'I just want to be catatonic in a corner' mode by now

Good. It's thoroughly deserved. She enabled this nonsense from the start.

I can't wait to see the back of her, and I say this as a former supporter.

Redebs · 08/02/2023 15:41

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 08/02/2023 15:36

The GUARDIAN!!!!!!

Call him a man, he/him pronouns throughout, quietly state ‘also known as Amy George’ further down the piece.

Like putting a pill inside a bit of roast chicken in the desperate hope my dog doesn’t notice.

This is the only reasonable way to describe him.

Graham Linehan describes them as "man who identifies as trans". That is 100% accurate.

lifeturnsonadime · 08/02/2023 15:42

Wow if the Guardian is rolling back by calling him a man then someone high up in the Gender agenda must have decided that criminals are not trans.

How astonishing.

SD1978 · 08/02/2023 15:43

Call them what they want. Stop changing the narrative that trans women are only and always 'stunning and brave' identify this ridiculousness for what it is and show it.

Fink · 08/02/2023 15:43

Shelefttheweb · 08/02/2023 15:06

Maybe click on the link to the most widely read newspaper in the UK, and one which has actually been consistently covering this matter rather than sitting on your high horse?

But would it help to understand the appallingly poorly-written headline to have read the whole article (which the person who posted the link has since summarised, thank you)? Even now knowing what the story covers, I'm none the wiser as to what the first part of the headline (before the hyphen) is supposed to mean.

My point is that journalists presumably have to walk a tight line between reporting the news accurately and, if they're writing from a particular stance of them or their newspaper supporting the GC position, reporting it in a way that calls out some of the outrageous doublethink of the TWAW brigade. This would have been an excellent chance to do both, but is ruined by being so poorly expressed as to be gibberish.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2023 15:45

I think the Guardian article has been edited since the first publication too. I think it just said he was a man who had been charged before.

bringmethehorizontal · 08/02/2023 15:45

Hmm, I find that rather shameless from the Grauniad.

Not sure it's to do with a concern for accuracy but rather to protect The Precious Most Marginalised by burying the key line under several paragraphs of copy.

LizzieSiddal · 08/02/2023 15:45

Just seen this reported on BBC news channel as “A man has been charged in concentration with…..” They then mention the girl was found “in a man’s house” and that the man is also known as “Amy George”.

BBC why has it taken you so long?!

Fink · 08/02/2023 15:48

Redebs · 08/02/2023 15:41

This is the only reasonable way to describe him.

Graham Linehan describes them as "man who identifies as trans". That is 100% accurate.

The problem is that the Guardian article only has one line about 'also known as'. So even though it might be accurate to call this person a man, if you minimise the fact that he identifies as trans or female, you mask the huge dangers that allowing self-ID poses to women and children. It's not just about this case of abduction, the accused's gender and sex are relevant.

SidewaysOtter · 08/02/2023 15:59

scratchedbymycat · 08/02/2023 14:04

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't women been visited by the Scottish police for hate crimes wrt misgendering? If so, can those women bring a case against Scottish Police? Why are the police allowed to misgender /deadname but no one else is? You can see how Sturgeon's "the individual" keeps her legally safe.

Moreover, will the police have to visit themselves?

”I am arresting me on suspicion of a hate crime. I do not have to say anything but anything I do say may be taken down and used as evidence against me. Erm…Sarge, I can’t get these handcuffs on by myself, can you help?”

SidewaysOtter · 08/02/2023 16:00

lifeturnsonadime · 08/02/2023 15:42

Wow if the Guardian is rolling back by calling him a man then someone high up in the Gender agenda must have decided that criminals are not trans.

How astonishing.

Presumably the same person who arranged for LOJ to be hung out to dry the other day…

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

ScandinavianSkies · 08/02/2023 16:03

bringmethehorizontal · 08/02/2023 15:45

Hmm, I find that rather shameless from the Grauniad.

Not sure it's to do with a concern for accuracy but rather to protect The Precious Most Marginalised by burying the key line under several paragraphs of copy.

Yup, I think this going to be a new tactic from the guardian, only recognise "The good ones"

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 08/02/2023 16:06

Fink · 08/02/2023 15:48

The problem is that the Guardian article only has one line about 'also known as'. So even though it might be accurate to call this person a man, if you minimise the fact that he identifies as trans or female, you mask the huge dangers that allowing self-ID poses to women and children. It's not just about this case of abduction, the accused's gender and sex are relevant.

And it won’t come up on a site search for ‘transgender’

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 08/02/2023 16:08

SidewaysOtter · 08/02/2023 15:59

Moreover, will the police have to visit themselves?

”I am arresting me on suspicion of a hate crime. I do not have to say anything but anything I do say may be taken down and used as evidence against me. Erm…Sarge, I can’t get these handcuffs on by myself, can you help?”

One of the local Mumsnetters should make a report!

scratchedbymycat · 08/02/2023 16:16

bringmethehorizontal · 08/02/2023 15:45

Hmm, I find that rather shameless from the Grauniad.

Not sure it's to do with a concern for accuracy but rather to protect The Precious Most Marginalised by burying the key line under several paragraphs of copy.

I agree. The gaslighting is strong with this one.

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