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Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

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ArabellaScott · 07/02/2023 19:27

reduxx.info/scotland-crossdressing-butcher-arrested-in-case-of-missing-child/

Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

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TheShellBeach · 10/02/2023 11:56

.........you are wrong. It is possible to change sex because the gender you have been assigned at birth may be wrong.........

No it isn't possible to change sex and people are not assigned a gender at birth.

TeamadIshbel · 10/02/2023 12:02

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:20

Of course if one of those women was a trans man that would blow your mind

And where does the sperm come from?

What a brave new world this LA service offers!!!

Sperm from a male presumably?
Egg fertilisation and carrying the fertilised egg within the female womg, sustaining the pregnancy then, as the Mother labour's and gives birth via the female body, the Mother who can then sustain the very life of the infant by feeding milk (from her female maternal breasts) produced exactly for that individual baby and to match its exact needs. A female who creates, grows, gives life to and can keep alive in infancy a baby.

Immutable FACTs. How does it work for the four balled, 2 cocked male "Lesbians"?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2023 12:11

So you'll find these threads about how to protect women's rights from the encroachment and trampling of trans ideology. It would be a bit odd to expect a women's rights forum to not be.

If you find the protection of women's rights transphobic, then whatever. I find trans ideology quite spectacularly misogynistic, exclusionary, unkind and bigoted. YMMV.

Quite.

Helleofabore · 10/02/2023 12:32

TeamadIshbel · 10/02/2023 12:02

And where does the sperm come from?

What a brave new world this LA service offers!!!

Sperm from a male presumably?
Egg fertilisation and carrying the fertilised egg within the female womg, sustaining the pregnancy then, as the Mother labour's and gives birth via the female body, the Mother who can then sustain the very life of the infant by feeding milk (from her female maternal breasts) produced exactly for that individual baby and to match its exact needs. A female who creates, grows, gives life to and can keep alive in infancy a baby.

Immutable FACTs. How does it work for the four balled, 2 cocked male "Lesbians"?

Wasn't the intention that it was all about cloning and gene splicing?

"Despite objections there will be technological advances which will allow anyone to have a baby, whether these will be ethical is another matter. Cloning has already been mentioned. Things that were impossible in the 70s and 80s are routine IVF now so I have confidence this will change."

Because some people think that humans manipulating genetic tissue that was not intended to produce new humans is real progress... despite the ethics of this action being well explored.

This is the exact same supreme confidence that we see people post about implanting uteruses in males and carrying an infant to full term and producing an infant that is healthy.

We are constantly assured this is just around the corner. Forgetting that at the moment and for decades it is simply not ethical to allow an embryo to survive past 21 days (iirc) outside of a fully functional uterus inside a woman. And not one scientist has worked out how to transplant a reproductive system with all the connections to female processing centres needs to produce the naturally produced substances needed to build a human.

Some people think this is progressive.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 10/02/2023 12:34

I always find it interesting how trans people with criminal records tend to change both first name and surname whereas non offending trans trend towards keeping their original surname.

Funny that.

TheShellBeach · 10/02/2023 12:38

"...................it's an echo chamber for hating trans people, but really for hating men.............."

Nope. It's a thread on a board which seeks to affirm the rights of women and girls not to have to accept men in their changing rooms and lavatories.

And as for hating men - nope. I am married to a man and have two sons. I do not hate any of them and all three are aghast at the sheer entitlement amply demonstrated by those transwomen and their supporters who are determined to fight their way into women's spaces. Literally, in some cases. Into women's prisons FFS - when they're sex offenders who have assaulted women and girls. These are the men I (and other posters) object to. Not all men. Just some of the transwomen. Some of them. The violent ones.

Transwomen are men. And some of them are aggressive sex offenders.

TheBiologyStupid · 10/02/2023 12:39

Indeed, Mrs Nigel - and very often, one name change isn't enough.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/02/2023 13:13

I looked back to see what awful transphobia Jemima had written.

So did I! If only the poster would actually engage with what I had written rather than a generic "you're so awful" type post I might be able to explain myself more clearly. Or they could present a counter argument for me to consider. But no, just the usual crap that gets thrown at women who dare to say "no".

nilsmousehammer · 10/02/2023 13:32

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/02/2023 13:13

I looked back to see what awful transphobia Jemima had written.

So did I! If only the poster would actually engage with what I had written rather than a generic "you're so awful" type post I might be able to explain myself more clearly. Or they could present a counter argument for me to consider. But no, just the usual crap that gets thrown at women who dare to say "no".

Dare to say 'no' to what?

Because it's the response women are getting when they say 'no' to the desires and orders of male people that this entire board is about!

Are you talking about getting a negative response when you say 'no' to women about their desire to not have to undress in front of men against their consent? No to their right to be homosexual? No to safeguarding vulnerable women in prison?

Which no would you like women to embrace here?

nilsmousehammer · 10/02/2023 13:35

Incidentally I just checked the past two pages on this thread, and can find lots of reasons and explanations of why women are ever so slightly cross about all this - a whole lot to engage with should anyone wish to.

nilsmousehammer · 10/02/2023 13:38

Incidentally, you'll also find on this board that women generally have no problem at all with another woman being perfectly happy to strip in front of/ share a prison shower with/ have sex with/ go to the toilet with/ have intimate medical exams from male people of all genders and criminal histories. Your body, your choice. Have gender neutral spaces and go and enjoy yourself.

The issue is the attempt to compel non consenting women to do the above, who do not share the belief that a male person ever at any time becomes anything that they perceive differently from a male person.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 10/02/2023 13:44

Yep

Consent can’t be decided by a majority vote.
One no = a total veto.

h4181698 · 10/02/2023 13:51

I don't care if he's man / woman you don't kidnap a child. Thank goodness the little girl was found

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/02/2023 13:55

@nilsmousehammer , I think you have misunderstood my position. I was accused by a different poster of saying something terrible, when all I've asked for is that all male people are subject to the same safeguarding rules as everyone else (eg no male people in women's prisons, regardless of how they identify).

The post you quoted was me having an annoyed moment at being told I've said something terrible, when the terrible thing appears to be saying "no" to some groups of male people being exempt from safeguarding rules.

nilsmousehammer · 10/02/2023 13:58

Ah then I've misunderstood. Apologies. I entirely agree that no males at all should be exempted from safeguarding rules, or permitted special exceptions from them.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/02/2023 14:03

No worries, @nilsmousehammer . Tbf, I wasn't particularly clear.

Pallisers · 10/02/2023 14:57

BellaAmorosa · 09/02/2023 19:54

FOR LURKERS:

"Intersex" is an old-fashioned and othering term. People living with DSDs are all either male or female - all DSDs are sex-specific. In the past, before sophisticated sexing techniques, a small percentage of the approximately 0.018% of babies who are born with DSDs were incorrectly thought to be the other sex because of the appearance of what seemed to be their genitals. In such cases, parents were advised to socialise their child as a boy or a girl depending on that appearance. Sometimes it became clear later on that the sex of the child had been wrongly guessed. Their sex had not changed in the meantime, it just became more obvious. (The condition that Caster Semenya has has a genetic component and is known locally as "penis at 12" because the penis only develops properly at puberty.) Some people elect to continue to present to society as the same sex in which they have been socialised, even if they are in fact the opposite sex. Those are the only cases where sex was /isassigned. Nobody assigns gender to any child.
We know the causes of DSDs. They include: nonstandard karyotypes (chromosome combinations), displacement of the SRY gene, insensitivity to certain enzymes. A karyotype is not a sex. Your chromosomes are evidence of your sex - as much as the primary and secondary sex characteristics, visual, smell and sound cues which enable humans to sex each other with close to 100% accuracy even when steps are taken to alter outward appearance.

Sex is binary and cannot be changed. It has never happened in mammals. That evolutionary possibility was closed off millions of years ago, before mammals evolved. Sexual reproduction means large gamete + small gamete = zygote -> foetus -> baby, all being well. Your sex is dictated by the SRY gene (almost always located on the Y chromosome) and it is the biological role which your phenotype plays in sexual reproduction (whether or not you choose to, or can, reproduce). The sex of a person decides which phenotype they have, and which hormones and enzymes are released in the womb and throughout their life. The hormones etc determine which sex organs will develop out of the undifferentiated tissue in a foetus and which will be suppressed. In other words, you develop a vagina because you are female, it's not that having a vagina confers femaleness on you. Having a vagina is excellent evidence of femaleness, not femaleness itself. Similarly, a wedding ring and a marriage certificate prove you are married, but if you lose your ring or burn your certificate, you are still married. It's just harder to prove that you are married. Stealing a wedding ring or forging a certificate will not change your marital status. A double mastectomy or a penile inversion make no difference to which sex you are - the breasts and penis are evidence of your sex, not your sex itself. Also note that though it's possible to remove a sex organ or characteristic, you cannot swap in a functioning version of an opposite sex organ or characteristic - because the phenotype is not set up for it. Vaginoplasty and phalloplasty do not create vaginas and penises.

There are only two sexes because sexual reproduction requires two types of gametes - small gametes and large gametes. The phenotype which is set up to produce large gametes is referred to as female and the other one is referred to as male. The development pathways of each phenotype are parallel, ie they never cross over or meet. The phenotypes resulting from these pathways may be imperfectly realised, but they are always one or the other - male or female -
because there are only two types of gamete.

Thank you so much for this excellent post.

BellaAmorosa · 10/02/2023 15:22

@Pallisers

No problem!


Going back to the start of this thread, reports in the Scottish Daily Express about a Robyn Woof being arrested for assault at the frustrated attempt to screen the film Adult Human Female at Edinburgh University refer to....a "woman".

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/edinburgh-trans-activist-charged-after-29181804

Police Scotland said: “A 35-year-old woman has been charged in connection with an alleged assault which occurred at a demonstration in George Square, Edinburgh on Wednesday, December 14, 2022...”

Interesting.

picklemewalnuts · 10/02/2023 15:46

So that one's a woman... until they are discovered to be a bully? So we'll have male, female, rapist, butcher, individual, and now bully. Have I kept up? I've a feeling I've left some out.

TightFistedWozerk · 10/02/2023 15:51

picklemewalnuts · 10/02/2023 15:46

So that one's a woman... until they are discovered to be a bully? So we'll have male, female, rapist, butcher, individual, and now bully. Have I kept up? I've a feeling I've left some out.

I believe you omitted oddity, pickle.

picklemewalnuts · 10/02/2023 16:03

That's right. Oh and there's a pornographer, too.

picklemewalnuts · 10/02/2023 16:04

Though he doesn't have to go to prison for his images of child abuse, so they're not needing to fret about 'her' gender.

Justellingthetruth · 10/02/2023 19:42

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What are you talking about?

I haven’t ‘just’ done anything. Last time I posed in this thread was lunchtime and it was about no meaning no.

Is it right wing to say no to men now? 🙃

SinnerBoy · 10/02/2023 19:51

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