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Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

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ArabellaScott · 07/02/2023 19:27

reduxx.info/scotland-crossdressing-butcher-arrested-in-case-of-missing-child/

Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

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ismu · 09/02/2023 19:19

@BellaAmorosa I didn't refer to any particular study, I think you are confused, I did say there are plenty of medical developments. But I don't think anyone on here would actually accept anything I shared because they don't back up your worldview.
There are new ways babies can be made @ShireWifeofNigelFarage like this with 2 women

www.pfcla.com/blog/reciprocal-ivf-for-lesbian-couples

Gender and sex are not immutable

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 19:19

Scottish Sun have posted a video clip from outside Selkirk Sherriff Court.

The video is a load of nothing but the comments are interesting:

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:20

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:19

@BellaAmorosa I didn't refer to any particular study, I think you are confused, I did say there are plenty of medical developments. But I don't think anyone on here would actually accept anything I shared because they don't back up your worldview.
There are new ways babies can be made @ShireWifeofNigelFarage like this with 2 women

www.pfcla.com/blog/reciprocal-ivf-for-lesbian-couples

Gender and sex are not immutable

Of course if one of those women was a trans man that would blow your mind

ditalini · 09/02/2023 19:23

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:19

@BellaAmorosa I didn't refer to any particular study, I think you are confused, I did say there are plenty of medical developments. But I don't think anyone on here would actually accept anything I shared because they don't back up your worldview.
There are new ways babies can be made @ShireWifeofNigelFarage like this with 2 women

www.pfcla.com/blog/reciprocal-ivf-for-lesbian-couples

Gender and sex are not immutable

Did you mean to post something else? You do know that's just bog standard IVF with an egg from a female and sperm from a male?

borntobequiet · 09/02/2023 19:24

Gender and sex are not immutable

Did you mean interchangeable? If so, true. If not, meaningless.

NecessaryScene · 09/02/2023 19:24

Of course if one of those women was a trans man that would blow your mind

If it's all the same with you, our minds will remain unblown until they do it without a sperm donor. 😂

Kucinghitam · 09/02/2023 19:25

Great comedy bingo this evening.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 19:25

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:19

@BellaAmorosa I didn't refer to any particular study, I think you are confused, I did say there are plenty of medical developments. But I don't think anyone on here would actually accept anything I shared because they don't back up your worldview.
There are new ways babies can be made @ShireWifeofNigelFarage like this with 2 women

www.pfcla.com/blog/reciprocal-ivf-for-lesbian-couples

Gender and sex are not immutable

You daft sausage.

It still needs an egg from a woman and a sperm from a man, they just put the embryo into a different woman.

Nothing new here, it’s exactly the same method that infertile heterosexual women have been using for ages, donor egg IVF.

Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman
ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 19:28

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:20

Of course if one of those women was a trans man that would blow your mind

Only if they managed to get the transman’s biologically female body to produce sperm.

As the couple you describe will need a male sperm donor, they are no different to any other couple who need donor gametes to conceive.

Crikey, this transgender stuff really IS making people forget how babies are made.

BellaAmorosa · 09/02/2023 19:29

@ismu
I'll take that as a no, then. Still, if you do find out any more about these exciting medical developments, do let us know.

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:30

Ok my fault for not reading it properly but there's also this

www.statnews.com/2019/06/05/creating-eggs-sperm-stem-cells/

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 09/02/2023 19:33

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:30

Ok my fault for not reading it properly but there's also this

www.statnews.com/2019/06/05/creating-eggs-sperm-stem-cells/

Seriously, that’s your example of a workable new way to make human babies? Mate

Helleofabore · 09/02/2023 19:37

midgemadgemodge · 09/02/2023 19:05

Hellebore

Sometimes activists pick on someone in order to try and rile them so much they make a
Mistake and get banned

Just saying

Thanks Midge. And yes. I know.

Have you seen me resort to anger though, name calling? I hope not. Because I am not angry at all. Or just my usual trying to sort through the sparple to find truth?

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 19:37

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:30

Ok my fault for not reading it properly but there's also this

www.statnews.com/2019/06/05/creating-eggs-sperm-stem-cells/

Dunno how to break this to you… but human’s aren’t mice.

Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman
Igneococcus · 09/02/2023 19:37

How do potential stem cell developments in labs mean a fully developed human can change sex?

NecessaryScene · 09/02/2023 19:40

How do potential stem cell developments in labs mean a fully developed human can change sex?

I don't know, developments at CERN surely mean I'm quite close to performing nuclear fusion. In my tummy. I'm going to convert it into a particle accelerator.

Will be able to do cool tricks at parties.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/02/2023 19:41

It's really not as straightforward as you think, if you want to get into specifics then chromosomes are weird. Your sex is usually the same as the gender you're assigned at birth but sometimes it's not. There are many examples of people who have odd chromosomal characteristics and like so many things it's a spectrum. Most people are just male or female it all matches up,and we are happy. But some people aren't

Someone’s been doing their homework on tumblr and reddit again.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 19:42

Igneococcus · 09/02/2023 19:37

How do potential stem cell developments in labs mean a fully developed human can change sex?

TBF, right now Ismu is demonstrating (or more accurately, failing to demonstrate) new ways to make human babies that don’t involve the terfy-old fashioned definition of biological sex.

ditalini · 09/02/2023 19:42

There's cloning as well. That's been around for far longer, and live birth has been achieved successfully in large mammals rather than just mice.

But it's never made it to humans. We'll see if skin sperm ever gets as far as sheep.

Generally with these technologies the process goes something like:

  • theoretically possible
  • we did it in a test tube!
  • In Mice
  • ?
  • Profit

Where that pesky question mark is the devil in the detail.

Sheep-in-a-bag external uteruses was another reproductive technology "breakthrough" that hasn't managed to hit the big time.

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:42

You are all so horrible on this thread. Comments about comedy bingo and your general refusal to even look at some of the evidence-it's an echo chamber for hating trans people, but really for hating men. As so called feminists, you're talking about defending women's rights but also saying that all men are potential rapists. You also refuse to accept changes to reproductive technology that might mean sex and gender become irrelevant- so you want men to provide sperm but then basically get out of women's spaces.

If we can't accept men in any context, what kind of a world do we envision?
The person who suggested healthcare separated into 3 genders.... wtaf???

Helleofabore · 09/02/2023 19:42

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:10

@Helleofabore I don't actually have to post any "evidence" because I don't have a view that you share on sex and gender. I don't think it's solely based on biology, whereas you do.
I also think these long litanies are a hell of a bore! We aren't in the court. "M'lud I rest my case that man can't be women."

I just disagree with you, and this has nothing to do with women's rights or feminism. People doing bad things are wrong, but just being a trans person is a crime in itself for you, it seems.

I also think these long litanies are a hell of a bore!

Like that hasn’t been used before? Why do you think that is my user name?

Seriously, is that all you have? Personal attacks and a belief that you can just say things on this board and expect people to believe you? About changing sex?

How had that worked for you elsewhere?

Personal attacks show a lack of ability to engage with the substance of what has been posted.

It is yet another tactic to silence people. And yet, it is not something you can hypocritically fling back at me, because I want you to start engaging and posting reasoned and evidenced posts.

Helleofabore · 09/02/2023 19:43

ismu · 09/02/2023 19:42

You are all so horrible on this thread. Comments about comedy bingo and your general refusal to even look at some of the evidence-it's an echo chamber for hating trans people, but really for hating men. As so called feminists, you're talking about defending women's rights but also saying that all men are potential rapists. You also refuse to accept changes to reproductive technology that might mean sex and gender become irrelevant- so you want men to provide sperm but then basically get out of women's spaces.

If we can't accept men in any context, what kind of a world do we envision?
The person who suggested healthcare separated into 3 genders.... wtaf???

You don’t seem to be able to produce any convincing evidence, and you are still name calling.

Hypocritical? Yes
Dishonest? Absolutely

NecessaryScene · 09/02/2023 19:45

but really for hating men.

Seriously, they don't.

all men are potential rapists

Seriously, yes we are.

you want men to provide sperm but then basically get out of women's spaces.

Um, well, if they're female-only women's spaces, then yes? If they're not, such as here, then no.

If we can't accept men in any context, what kind of a world do we envision?

We're saying women should not have to accept men in ALL contexts. That's all.

The number of spaces men are not allowed is extremely small. And yet you would reduce them to zero.

mrshoho · 09/02/2023 19:45

She has a point..

Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman
ismu · 09/02/2023 19:46

@Helleofabore my posts will only be reasoned and logical in your view if they agree with you. I've made it clear I don't agree and also that you are on the wrong side of history.

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