"Why do you hate them now, or are you just generally bigoted?"
The hyperbole is outstanding in this post. Really.... you take our discussion to be us 'hating' trans people? What evidence do you have for that? Please lay it out clearly so that everyone reading can follow your logic?
"both of you appear to believe that people who were born and registered as male can't ever change and will always be male."
Correct. They will always be male. That can never change. It doesn't mean that I hate trans people.
What a great example though of the cognitive distortions that are used by extreme trans activists to stop discussion and to attempt to emotionally manipulate readers.
Readers, this is both catastrophising and polarisation. The desired outcome is the same. This poster wants this discussion to be silenced.
"This is wrong legally and has been for over 20 years and I cba to fact check the actual date because I'm sure you'll do it eagerly. It's also wrong medically as there have always been intersex people who've been assigned a gender at birth which has been wrong."
A legal fiction, which there is much discussion about however it seems that even there there are exceptions. Males are not considered their GRC 'sex' for every instance. So therefore, it is pretty easy to argue that even the law recognises that these males are still male... never able to change.
And your distraction into people with differences of sex development have nothing to do with males transitioning. And is offensive to those with those medical conditions.
You are obviously just as ill informed as justelling and you are repeating trope that has been used by extreme trans activists to prop up unevidenced assertions. We also know that this is out of step with other trans people who DO understand they can never change sex and who DON'T leverage other people's medical conditions as an explainer for their own desire to be considered the opposite sex.
So, tell us please, why do you believe that you speak for the many reasonable trans people who disagree with you?
"I don't think this whole issue has been something either of you were frothing about in 1999."
No. Back then I didn't have males trying to convince me that they were, in fact, female.
"The most interesting thing about this whole debate is why it's arisen. Trans people have always existed and were well tolerated for years."
Why has it arisen? Because over the past half a decade or more, a small group of very extreme and ideologically driven people have pushed the boundaries of the interpretation of the law.
Did you realise that when the GRA was first discussed the applications that are now being sought and forced through were actually denied would ever be considered under the Act.
So you now declaring that this is not a 'new issue' is clearly false. You could look up the Hansard records for the time, like many of us have.
It is the absolutist declarations that are new. And extreme.
A bit like ...
"Why do you hate them now, or are you just generally bigoted?"
Yeah... really. Keep pulling out the cognitive distortions. We are really familiar with the tactics now, but it is fun to point them out to readers as they begin their journey on how to work out fact from emotionally manipulated fiction.