Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

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Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

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@Justellingthetruth

In Rotherham girls were abused and it carried on for much longer than it should have done because of people like you. The women raising the alarm were derided as bigots, racist, discriminatory.

The police didn't take the action they should have done as they didn't want to be seen as discriminating against one particular group.

I see your attitude as harmful. There are many more example like the above. And as always the harm is happening to females.

Well yes although as Beowulfa says the fact that they are trans may be relevant at points.

No, it would have been patronising if I’d assumed you were struggling to comprehend some of what you’re reading.

It’s the opposite of patronising to acknowledge that in actual fact, you might be understanding it perfectly well and deliberately derailing with these silly, inaccurate, barely coherent responses.

Yep. ‘Anti discrimination activism’ creates safeguarding black holes that put children at risk.

’Be Kind’ teaches children not to react to the primal instincts that keep them safe.

Fuck. That. Shit.

I know the usual MO on here is to have it out with visitors to help bring more sunshine for the lurkers. There is no sunshine here, i fear justtellingthetruth is so dense that none will escape.

At least it’s keeping this thread bumped up near the top while we wait to hear what the charges are (and what name he has been charged under)!

And again, no one is ‘painting a whole group cos of one persons actions which are horrific’.

You have continued to do this. Not one other poster has.

Sun article. Outfit looks to be standard issue grey prison joggers.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10194283/major-update-trans-butcher-arrives-court-schoolgirl-disappearance/amp/

Can we step back and think of the poor child and her family.

What is known to be true is that the man who is in court calls himself a woman lots of the time on social media and in real life. There is lots of evidence and he has been doing that for years. He fits the description of a transwomen but whether he feels he identifies or not as one is arbitrary - it’s the act itself that reinforces the fact again that men, however they dress, are statistically more likely to commit crimes against women and children.

I hope the child is ok. But also that this whole gender ideology circus doesn’t make the family’s situation worse.

Sea lions, man.

Missed this article, from yesterday:

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10192956/trans-butcher-schoolgirl-disappearance-appearance-jk-rowling/

Can anyone explain why they keep blocking out his face in the articles that publish his name, age and occupation? It doesn’t make much sense!

I know there must be some legal reason, but what is it?

I think it's because if the suspect's face has appeared in the Scottish media, the defense may claim that any identification presented in court is suspect.

Their argument might be that the witness could be identifying the suspect from the media pictures, not from their own knowledge.

The fact that this person is trans is actually an important detail. Because there are numerous examples of safeguarding rules being set aside just because a person is trans. The fact that some trans people commit crimes needs to be recognised because (frankly) they do, and so should be subjected to exactly the same safeguarding rules as everyone else.

It is similar to the "Catholic priest" thing. Often a person's religion is not relevant and therefore bringing it up does seem like you are trying to paint a whole group in a certain way. However, the Catholic church has history of ignoring safeguarding rules so it is important to recognise that some Catholic priests commit crimes and need to be subjected to proper safeguarding procedures, just like everyone else.

Nobody is saying that all trans people (or all Catholic priests) commit horrific crimes. People are saying that some do, and therefore all need to be subject to the same safeguarding rules as everyone else.

Fair enough. And justice needs to be done properly.

But as she was found in his house, AND she’s a child, her pick-him-from-a-line-up identification of him isn’t going to be the crucial thing the hinges the case together…

(Obvs not a reason not to follow protocol)

I think it's because if the suspect's face has appeared in the Scottish media, the defense may claim that any identification presented in court is suspect.

thank you! It does make some sense after all.

Re: other discussion. I really hope that people are going to cop on that any sacred caste is going to become riddled with abusers. And that anyone trying to push the idea that some groups of men are beyond scrutiny is either daft or dodgy.

Safeguarding via sex segregation is based on the fact that men are much stronger and more predatory than women, and that it's not possible to know which are or are not predators. It surely goes without saying that "not all men" are predators? If you demonise safeguarding as 'painting a whole group', you undermine its fundamental principles.

Segregating spaces where women and girls are vulnerable to males, is not a harmful form of discrimination. It's quite the opposite.

It's currently a matter of significant public interest that this alleged offender is trans.

The recent cases of transwomen sex offenders being housed with women, the attempt to roll out legislation saying that anyone can claim trans status and Westminsters attempt to block it mean the trans stautus of people in the criminal justice system is highly topical and relevent.

Who does it benefit, so-called Truth person, to hide this fact?

Also, how convenient it is that such people are presenting themselves to the news at this moment. I thought there were hardly any of them. It's very odd that in the tiny minority of trans people, the even tinier minority or trans criminals are in the news right now?

Truly weird, given how rare trans people and especially trans criminals are supposed to be.

People, you're arguing with a pigeon.

I wonder if fully grown adults who don't believe in discrimination got that way because they have insufficiently discriminated between various things that have come up in their lives: safe foods and chemicals that will addle your brain, for example.

There are plenty of people on here who agree with @Justellingthetruth and others like her. It's getting so bad here that hatred of trans infiltrates every topic and Mumsnet is just becoming a total witch hunt.

There are some bad trans people, there are bad black people and bad Jewish people and actually bad women!!!

So why is it ok to discriminate against trans people because some are bad, but not ok to discriminate against other protected groups?

Also, at present there is no GRR bill in place, so all the things you're complaining about have NOTHING to do with that. In fact English law at present is much more beneficial to trans people and the GRR was brought in to bring Scotland up to speed! It is NOT Nicola Sturgeon's bill but received cross party support from MSPs of all parties.

There is ONE women's prison in Scotland, Cornton Vale, and it houses all sorts of women whose crimes range from debtors/ fraud to serious murder, violence and sex crimes. The prison must risk assess each prisoner and some will be in solitary confinement- particularly sex offenders.

The posters who literally hate and fear all men as "more predatory"... could we focus on actual male violence against women by non trans men then ?

This case is a total gift to the anti trans brigade but it's obvious the person was a complete and utter oddity and well known in his community.

It's pretty disgusting that this is getting more traffic on MN and in the press than the awful abduction and murder of Bennylynn and her daughter. The perpetrator didn't have to dress as a woman to commit that crime and in fact probably raised less suspicion.

Justellingthetruth · Today 12:57

^i answered your point and yet you continue to enrage and enflame and deflect
you undermine your own position by doing so.^

Well, you've written some inane, inaccurate bollocks and you can't spell "inflame."

I have answers you points but you seem determined to bully out a complete retraction and copitulation.

Or "capitulation;" but you haven't answered anything, you've simply lectured, with a few propaganda bullet points. Your posts have no substance, just unevidenced assertions.

Your answer to "Trans identifying males are sex offenders and five times the rate of the general male population," is:
You're discriminating! I'm against discriminating! I've told you I am against discriminating!

The fact is that you don't want people to point out that these males are perpetrating sex attacks and kidnaps against women and girls, in case someone notices that they aren't women. Why do you support them, but not the victims?

Nobody is saying that all trans identifying men are predators, but by jingo, an awful lot of them seem to be just that. Like other males, they should be kept out of women's spaces, because of the statistical risk.

It's not our fault that you're too hidebound to see that.

Kucinghitam · Today 14:43

People, you're arguing with a pigeon.

I think that pigeons are more intelligent.

This case is a total gift to the anti trans brigade but it's obvious the person was a complete and utter oddity and well known in his community.

this person ie man identified as a woman. So was a transwoman. Are you saying he wasn’t? If so why? He had a female name, wore nail polish and make up and wore a long wig and womens clothes. So how is he not a transwoman?