Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

[ArabellaScott]

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Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

Maybe they're just very young

They are certainly driven by idealism.

And I don’t believe they understand why women are so angry. Because if they don’t understand the very discriminatory nature, and the outcome of that, of reporting male crimes as being perpetrated by women then they will never understand why using clear language of ‘man’ when an adult male commits a crime is important.

They don’t seem to make the connection that the majority of the UK has now that that simplistic emotionally driven thinking has allowed male criminals into female prisons.

The very definition of negative discrimination!

Putting female inmates at great risk of any harm to make a male person, and all male people with trans identities, feel better.

That there is negative discrimination against women. And the end result of media reporting male criminals as ‘women’.

I don’t think that some posters understand this. Or they don’t want to understand. Because they are so polarised in their thinking they have become deeply entrenched and can’t see anything beyond the narrow thinking they have allowed themselves.

I don’t think that some posters understand this. Or they don’t want to understand. Because they are so polarised in their thinking they have become deeply entrenched and can’t see anything beyond the narrow thinking they have allowed themselves

Don't underestimate the number of posters who will think it's absolutely fine for a transwoman to be in a woman's prison because GENDER.

It's really quite sickening to see the number of people with that kind of extreme thinking on twitter.

In essence

There are men, requiring access and privilege not granted to other men, and much of it has been pushed on the grounds that it's a mortal sin to ever notice that they are men, or imply that they may behave as other men do.

Therefore it is essential to clearly point out when a man demonstrates that whatever language is used, no group of men are any safer or better behaved than other men.

And therefore women and children require boundaries that no men are exempted from.

When it comes to male violence against women and girls, surely how the males "present" is irrelevant? Trivially and insultingly so. We are having this discussion only because some vocal people insist that it's not only relevant but actually redefines the abusive male as female, and the male violence as female violence, on the basis of how he "presents".

@Datun

your deflection techniques here are clear and beneath you. You are trying to drag me into a different discussion that the point I made.

discrimination is bad in all forms and two wrongs don't make a right.

you appear to be suggesting that discrimination is ok if it's an area you think it's ok.

personally I think it's not and if that is your opinion you should consider seeking help.

Cor, it’s lucky you don’t work in child safeguarding or criminology, eh?

@nilsmousehammer

the issue here is here are many trans people who are perfectly lovely.

some bad people are jumping on an issue to use against others.

they are bad people. It's doesn't matter what they are apart from bad. All other statements are discriminatory by definition and people don't like to be called out on their bias.

When they are using that specific characteristic as a means to exclude themselves from the gatekeeping for their sex class, yes, it matters.

You can call it bias and sin all day, do feel free. But you're enabling people like Bryson. I don't think that's quite as pious as you'd like to think it is.

By saying discrimination is bad in all forms you realise you are advocating for no separate prisons for males and females right?

You are advocating for no separate disability categories for sport right?

You are advocating for no reserved disabled parking spots.

Etc etc etc.

Discrimination is necessary sometimes. It's obvious to most people with half a brain.

Most men are lovely.

Doesn't mean I want to get changed in front of them.

Most adults are lovely. They all have to go through DBS checks to work with children.

Why has this one issue addles people's brains so much?

some bad people are jumping on an issue to use against others.

So we are bad for pointing out this man is trans and that previously he would have been reported as being a woman and he might still yet end up in a woman's prison?

Rather than he is bad for abducting a child and some trans people are bad?

Or it's isn't it bad that a man who identifies as trans could end up in a woman's prison?

I think you are confusing who the bad guys are here @Justellingthetruth

the issue here is here are many trans people who are perfectly lovely.

Are you willing to take this argument all the way or not? Are you going to say "there are a many men who are perfectly lovely", and so there should not be separate male/female prisons, or indeed any other male/female splits (whether you do it by "gender" or sex?)

I'm not sure you've even considered that properly, as I've seen contradictory indications where you've denied both positions.

But surely in your ideal non-discriminatory world we wouldn't be arguing about whether transwomen were classed with men, as we wouldn't be discriminating between men and women anyway, so it wouldn't matter.

I do actually somewhat sympathise in that yes, discrimination on immutable characteristics is unfair. But sometimes - as in excluding men from spaces where women are vulnerable - it is the lesser of two evils.

And because we've done a good job at removing unnecessary formal sex discrimination, all the sex discrimination we're left with is the necessary stuff, and that's what transwomen are trying to breach.

Thanks for this - I looked at the court schedule but no sign of either name on the Selkirk list today.

Can high profile charges cases be heard without being publicly listed?

(I’m pretty sure actual trials can’t, but perhaps when it’s first appearance it can?)

Of course, sex offenders could have any number of aliases, and it only takes a home printed declaration and a £5 solicitors stamp to legally change your name in Scotland, right?

Your doubling down is not convincing.

No one is deflecting here.

Yes some are bad

And in particular transwomen follow male pattern violence
Meaning when we differentiate between sexes transwomen should be considered men

Differentiation also exists
in sport
In alcohol laws
In healthcare

Do you really think I it's bad discrimination to not investigate a transwomen bleeding from down below ?

You are happy to let that person die provided you can feel smug that you didn't discriminate and provide sex appropriate treatment ????

What kind of person are you ?

@ShireWifeofNigelFarage

another apparently none value add statement.

dear me.

If I was feeling very cynical, I’d wonder if somebody didn’t want another pink-legging-clad-penis on the front of the Daily Mail website and so was trying to avoid this chap being caught on camera arriving at court.

I’d rather share a space with you NecessaryScene than with Amy George, that’s for sure!

But then, you wouldn’t put yourself into a female only space in the first place.

What’s that phrase I’ve heard recently… something like ‘Good Men STAY Out so Bad Men STAND Out’?

@Justellingthetruth so if a male offender then identifies as transage and transgender, should they then be placed in a female young persons unit so as to not discriminate?

discrimination is bad in all forms

I know other people have pointed this out, but deary, deary me. Does no one use their brain anymore?

Me too!

but perhaps it’s possible that they’ve just scheduled him to appear in a further away court for either practical reasons (to do with where he is being held) or because it’s better for the victim & her community to have reporters descend somewhere less local?

JUST ABOLISH ALL DISCRIMINATION AND CHUCK THE FEMALE JUVENILE DELINQUENTS IN WITH THE MEN! EASY!

AND ABOLISH DISCRIMINATORY SECURITY CATEGORIES FOR PRISONERS TOO!

He’s in court today. With his pink nailpolish….
Butcher appears in prison