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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender Critical Disputes - Radical Notion special edition free to read online

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IwantToRetire · 04/02/2023 21:40

Cant say I have heard of Radical Notion. They say:

THE RADICAL NOTION was founded in 2020 to create a space for the resurgent wave of feminist thinking and activism. This not-for-profit magazine is run by an all-women collective of radical and socialist feminists. We are committed to the materialist analysis of sex-based oppression, and to challenging the material and symbolic structures of male dominance. This moment is a historic opportunity to deepen and widen the analysis of all aspects of women’s political condition, and its foundational role in all systems of extraction and domination.

We welcome words and images from women of all nationalities, classes, ethnicities and backgrounds to illuminate the meaning of feminist politics in their lives, and to create a global picture of this political moment. Our current battle, and the social, political and environmental unravellings we see all around us are, at their root, crises of patriarchy. We want to seize this moment to speak that truth.

theradicalnotion.org/gender-critical-disputes/

It seems quite expensive to subscribe but they have made this issue free to read online. A lot of it seems to be the ongoing antagonism (meaning the issues are real but seem to be motivated as much by personal fallouts) between radical feminist and socialist feminist gender critical women.

Some may remember this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again and the revelation that WPUK seems to now be linked to the group Actual Gender Critical Left, who endlessly snipe about Karin Dansky and KJK.

Anyhow posting in case anyone wants to have a read.

Still not sure why some women think in the day of virtual opportunites to talk directly to other women, they need to go down the routed of "publishing" as though their ideas are somehow special and shouldn't be submitted to the rough and tumble on online forums like this one!

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NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 16/03/2023 19:14
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We’ve got 4 pages left on this thread.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 16/03/2023 19:15

How long do you think MNHQ will let us keep the gif function?

Shall we start a book?

beastlyslumber · 16/03/2023 19:16
meh forget it GIF by Denyse

Fucking hell

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:17

Helleofabore · 16/03/2023 19:13

Thanks again boiled.

Does that make you the leader of the MN gang? I mean datun is queen and cheesus, are you the ‘dead hard’ leader of the gang?

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Yeah! And if you don't let me be the Fucking dead hard leader I'll Fucking chin you!

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:18

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 16/03/2023 19:15

How long do you think MNHQ will let us keep the gif function?

Shall we start a book?

eric cartman hate GIF by South Park

Shall we see if we can break mnhq?

GailBlancheViola · 16/03/2023 19:19

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 16/03/2023 19:14

We’ve got 4 pages left on this thread.

Aaargh, what the hell is that?????????

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:20

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 16/03/2023 19:14

We’ve got 4 pages left on this thread.

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What did you type to find that horror?

WinterDeWinter · 16/03/2023 19:25

Helleofabore · 16/03/2023 18:36

Actually, in all honesty, I have yet to get a sensible answer to why posters who use language that denigrates the women posting on this board, who tone polices using denigrating and inflammatory language, who tell posters off for who they support or listen to, thereby trying to police who people listen to, who patronise and post negative generalisations about the board expect any type of positive engagement.

I do find it hilarious to be policed due to my use of the word 'fuck' as if I am trying to be a 'hard person', but it is illustrative of the kind of posts that do get a negative pushback where posters then, maybe even performatively, ask 'why did I get that negative pushback?'

And by the way, while I do use the word often. It is also that I use it in 'fuckwittery', or to say 'that is fucked'. In fact, I use it in probably less than 5% of my posts. So, if some posters wish to discount my posts because of the use of that term 5% of the time, have at it.

It says so much more about you than it does me.

The fact that a poster has pulled me up on the use of the word is remarkable in light of the post and the nature of that post that they came on today to respond to.

Call it 'policing' if it makes you feel all activist - it still means 'disagreeing with me'. You just ... don't like people to disagree with you.

When they do, or are critical in any way, you all attack as one. It's your bonding activity.

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:27
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you all attack as one.

GailBlancheViola · 16/03/2023 19:28

Call it 'policing' if it makes you feel all activist - it still means 'disagreeing with me'. You just ... don't like people to disagree with you.

When they do, or are critical in any way, you all attack as one. It's your bonding activity.

Coming from someone who immediately went on the attack and used disparaging slurs, then went on the defensive when it was pointed out that is a really special take.

beastlyslumber · 16/03/2023 19:37
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We all attack as one.

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:38

WinterDeWinter · 16/03/2023 19:25

Call it 'policing' if it makes you feel all activist - it still means 'disagreeing with me'. You just ... don't like people to disagree with you.

When they do, or are critical in any way, you all attack as one. It's your bonding activity.

As someone who saw your posts last night, that have now all been deleted. I'd have thought you'd have at least turned up with an apology to Endless and beastly for your words last night.

But no!

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:45
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It can even be done via the medium of gifs these days.

WinterDeWinter · 16/03/2023 19:47

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:38

As someone who saw your posts last night, that have now all been deleted. I'd have thought you'd have at least turned up with an apology to Endless and beastly for your words last night.

But no!

Why would I apologise to Beastly? I simply asked her to back up her accusation, which is that it's misogynist to accuse a woman of using methods of 'argument' that a populist politician habitually uses - presumably because he's male and it's misogynist to compare a woman to a man? I'm still not sure.

As for Endless, the absence of posters rushing to tell me I'd mischaracterised her was interesting.

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:53

As for Endless, the absence of posters rushing to tell me I'd mischaracterised her was interesting.

That was because you posted late at night on a very dead thread. There were four posters around, You, beastly, endless and me.

One insulted two others. The fourth reported the posts.

WinterDeWinter · 16/03/2023 20:00

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 19:53

As for Endless, the absence of posters rushing to tell me I'd mischaracterised her was interesting.

That was because you posted late at night on a very dead thread. There were four posters around, You, beastly, endless and me.

One insulted two others. The fourth reported the posts.

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ArabellaScott · 16/03/2023 20:05
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I'm counting these veg as my five a day. Fucking brilliant. I wonder if there's a limit to MNs giffability?

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 20:10

WinterDeWinter · 16/03/2023 20:00

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Excellent gif choice 😁

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 20:12

ArabellaScott · 16/03/2023 20:05

I'm counting these veg as my five a day. Fucking brilliant. I wonder if there's a limit to MNs giffability?

If my aubergine ever starts moving like that I'm taking it back to the shop for a refund

ArabellaScott · 16/03/2023 20:14

It wants to make baba ganoush.

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 20:15

ArabellaScott · 16/03/2023 20:14

It wants to make baba ganoush.

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I had that for the first time last year.

I had that did the last time last year

ArabellaScott · 16/03/2023 20:15

As for Endless, the absence of posters rushing to tell me I'd mischaracterised her was interesting.

Fuck me, how juvenile is this pish?

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 20:16
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For the last time. Gifs but no edit function!

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 16/03/2023 20:17

ArabellaScott · 16/03/2023 20:15

As for Endless, the absence of posters rushing to tell me I'd mischaracterised her was interesting.

Fuck me, how juvenile is this pish?

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Something like this?

beastlyslumber · 16/03/2023 20:19

WinterDeWinter · 16/03/2023 19:47

Why would I apologise to Beastly? I simply asked her to back up her accusation, which is that it's misogynist to accuse a woman of using methods of 'argument' that a populist politician habitually uses - presumably because he's male and it's misogynist to compare a woman to a man? I'm still not sure.

As for Endless, the absence of posters rushing to tell me I'd mischaracterised her was interesting.

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Six weeks ago I said it was misogynist to call us "Farage feminists". None of us owe Farage for our feminism and it's misogynistic to imply that we do, not to mention all the other names you called us before you went for your 6-week dinner, like grim, bigoted shire wives.

I absolutely cannot get my head around what is wrong with you, Winter, but whatever it is, I feel pity for you.

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