India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240

[Consufed]

India Willoughby is going to be on Question Time tonight. BBC1 10.40pm.

Yep.

Solitary/segregation unit is a punishment ( losing the right to association with others) within a punishment (losing your right to liberty) you can’t just be incarcerated and automatically spend your whole sentence locked in on your tod.

That would be considered torture and is rightly against a person’s (actual) basic human rights.

The handful of UK prisoners who are kept completely alone are ones like that dude who has been inside since the 1970s and has murdered three fellow prisoners in that time (all sex offenders, iirc).

I was trying to find out if a female prisoner has ever killed her fellow inmate in the history of the UK. Haven’t found any evidence yet.
It doesn’t seem like it happens elsewhere in the world either.

Found a news article about 6 female gang members being killed inside a prison in Honduras but it turns out their killers were men who had broken into to the prison in order to kill them!

I agree sallywalrus

However, I believe the Willoughby would hand wave it away as being a subset of woman. Remember it is all
about
the
space!

That space puts Willoughby under the umbrella of women - trans or not!

My view is that mental health and maturity comes first from an acceptance of reality and limitation.

It is odd that this mass collective gaslighting and delusion is coming at the same time as ‘mental health’ has become a hashtag. It’s everywhere - “your mental health, my mental health, their mental health, blah blah blah” it is so over used it makes me eyeroll whenever I hear it now.

It’s impossible to tackle mental health without tackling acceptance, but we have these mixed messages of ‘be whatever you want to be’ with ‘take care of your mental health’.

Ah, I think I get it. Trans is an adjective in India's belief system?

They are misrepresenting this (surprise). He wasn’t in ‘solitary’, he was in a segregation unit. This is a small unit where they put particularly vulnerable women with serious mental health problems, high risk of self harm or (I think) pregnant.

Having a violent rapist in close proximity will do nothing for the state of those women’s minds. If the reported experience of other women in prison with violent males, he will ensure his presence is felt by shouting abuse at the women and otherwise attempting to cause distress.

Being a women’s prison, there should be predominantly female staff (Elizabeth Fry demanded no male staff in her 1823 bill) but the presence of this man means that for safety reasons the prison needs more male staff to restrain him.

This means a greater risk to the female prisoners from male staff as we know that, while it seems to be rare, male prison staff do rape and sexually harass women. (We often get berated for ‘not caring’ about that by the tras defending men in women’s prisons.🙄)

Anyone supporting this is inflicting such cruelty on these women.

Sorry to come across as an old fart but I really don’t understand the terms TERF (I assume it’s an acronym), cis (another acronym?) and What the eff is hormone washing in the womb?

It used to be called gender dysphoria and classed as a mental health issue - why has this suddenly changed?

You can't just claim that you are a woman because you feel as though you are. Women have naturally occurring female organs, body parts and have an XX chromosome - and this should not be deviated from. No matter what surgery you have or how you dress, this won't change

Can you remember the guy in America who believed he was a tiger - and had loads of surgical procedures to make him look more like a cat. He will always remain a human being and could not change his species. The same thing applies with sex

Yes. Not a noun.

Hence the tweet Willoughby posted to Esther that was mentioned. Where Willoughby used the comparator of blackwomen.

As an adjective it then puts ‘trans’ and ‘cis’ as the second priority in the hierarchy under women. Which is why space is sooo important!

And it would be an act of monumental
stupidity by the TRAs. The media’s focus is trained on this issue and most of the public would be appalled.

That's what I was worried about.

The threat of The Cervix hangs over us all like theSword of Damocles. Held by a single pubic hair, no doubt.

I doubt the lies and misinformation will be challenged. They never are with Willoughby.

India even got away with an incorrect answer on Pointless. Nobody else ever has. I was so disappointed in Richard Osman.

And the way India behaved towards Amanda Barrie on Big Brother - shouting and bullying a small, 80 year old woman - of course, that's typical female behaviour, intimidating smaller, weaker people.

From small things to large, people to scared to challenge

Fiona Bruce is a very poor presenter for QT.

IW is an absolute tool

I know their ideology says that ‘trans is an adjective not a prefix’ but if that were true it would have to be a magical adjective

Tall woman = an adult female human of greater than average height
Old woman = an adult female human who has lived for a long time.
Black woman = an adult female human with dark-coloured skin, especially one of sub-Saharan African ancestry

Trans woman = an adult MALE human who says he’s a female human (and who might have altered his appearance via hormonal and surgical methods).

One of these ‘adjectives’ is very much not like the others!

Terf stands for trans-exclusionary radical feminist. It was originally a neutral descriptor and actually necessary, because actual radical feminism (short lived and outdated) stated that sex was entirely irrelevant, nothing but a construct, and there was therefore no reason transwomen could not be anything women could be. There was a subsect that called itself radical feminism but didn't agree on this point (unsurprisingly, since it's clearly nonsense).

These days, the term has been rediscovered and is now used as a slur against anyone who doesn't believe transwomen are women. It's handy because everyone hates a feminist and a RADICAL one must be the worst one of all. It's even more stupid because the understanding that men aren't women, women aren't men and sex can't change, may be many things...but radical, it certainly is not. And I would bet that if you looked at most people who believe this, one thing you'd find is that very few of them would in fact be radical feminists.

"Cis woman" just means woman. The prefix was added to dilute the definition and make it easier, semantically, to argue that transwomen are women. There's a scientific root in the term but they actually got it the wrong way round so don't worry about it.

I've not heard of hormone washing in the womb, but I can't imagine it's good news. It might be something to do with how some people argue that since hormones are responsible for developing a foetus' sex in the womb, you can get the exact same effect by taking hormones as a grown adult.

Thanks NicolaSturgeon and RichardBarrister for explaining that. I find it genuinely distressing that such blatant manipulation of the truth is allowed to pass unchallenged.

But then I suppose I shouldn't expect anything else from people who will contort their speech and deploy all manner of smoke and mirrors to avoid saying that a rapist is a man and that human beings can't change sex.

Well "trans" is the only one that actually empties the noun of its meaning. It literally means the noun no longer means female. The others don't do that.

It is like having a black dog, a brown dog, a fat dog, a thin dog and a feline dog.

The best thing he could have done is to say 'that rapist isn't trans and has nothing in common with me so I cannot speak for him'.

I haven't watched it yet, so I'm guessing that didn't happen?

I didn't get a chance to see QT and I'm in Ireland so no BBC iplayer. Did IW apologise for inferring that victim's of rape be sent to prison?

Oh boy....

The bit that's riling me at the moment is the lack of SNP ability to say the Rapist is a man.
What happens in 2/3 years when he's back in the community in his pink leggings, I firmly believe he should be in the male toilets, what's going to stop him attacking a woman in the female toilets, or joining a gym with communal changing rooms?

Because I believe he is the sort who'll attacking and hurt again

Gall10 TERFs stands for 'trans exclusionary radical feminists' - of 'feminists' as we used to be called.

'Cis' is a makey-uppy back construction to distinguish adult human females (or males) aka women and men, from the very varied group of people lumped together as 'trans'. It's based on the 'reasoning' that if there was transalpine Gaul and cisalpine Gaul then the terms can be applied to humans (in a context not describing what side of the alps we're on).

hormone washing in the womb

what the actual?

It used to be called Gender Identity Disorder (GID), but it offended sufferers to be diagnosed with a personality disorder, so TAs lobbied to get the wording changed to ‘Gender Dysphoria’ ie ‘gender sadness’.

GID is a much more accurate description and as a society, we have a serious issue if people with disorders are able to define themselves instead of professionals.

I know there are issues with certain words which used to be in common parlance that aren’t any more. Back in the day when eugenics proponents wanted to get people out of the gene pool, there were diagnosis/categorisations like ‘imbecile’ or ‘idiot’. I was shocked and chilled to discover that.

However, calling something a ‘disorder’ is not of the same ilk at all. You actually need an accurate name to describe conditions which cause people challenges and distress, so they can be managed appropriately. ‘Gender sadness’ does not cut it in meaning. It is obviously an identity disorder - a confusion about who you actually are, and it is about what sex you are or what gender roles and stereotypes you are drawn towards, so ‘gender identity disorder’ seems pretty apt to me.

Sorry, back to prisons. There has just been an inspection of the womens' prison near me, Eastwood Park (suffice it to say it wasn't good). The journo has posted some of the photos of an isolation cell (I hope this links) twitter.com/DanJohnsonNews/status/1621433348999581699

Those poor women

Trans dogs aren’t cats you bigot!

Sure, they look like cats, act like cats and have the DNA of cats but they were born in the wrong body and it’s not something they chose so we all need to Be Kind and pretend that the creature shimmying up the curtains with a dead mouse in it’s mouth is definitely, absolutely and one hundred percent a dog, just like all the other dogs.

Boy George uses women’s toilets.

Nuff said.

TERF is a slur aimed at women who know sex is binary, immutable and sometimes matters. Oddly enough seldom used for men who know these things - looks like trans activists actually do know the difference between men & women when it comes to put-downs.

It is an acronym for Trans Excluding Radical Feminist - a misnomer because radical feminists exclude men, however they identify, and include women, whether they want to be women or not, and because few TERFs are in fact radical feminists. There’s nothing particularly radical about a reality-based approach.

”Cis” isn’t an acronym. It’s a prefix from chemistry & geography, and the opposite of the prefix trans. Transalpine Gaul was Gaul on the other side of the Alps from Rome, Cisalpine Gaul was the same side of the Alps from Rome.

When the term transsexual started to morph into transgender the activists started defining people who don’t identify as the sex they’re not as “cis”. This is to make us out to be a subset of the sex we are, and to make it seem as if people who are factually not that sex appear part of that sex class.

This is why Gender Identity Theologians can be very insistent that trans & cis are adjectives, and to be written trans woman, so as to imply we’re just all different types of women.

It often appears in the racist rhetorical formulation that “black women are women, so trans women are women,” aka hiding misogyny behind their racism.