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Mermaids getting eaten from the inside out

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feelingcadoubleledlove · 31/01/2023 18:43

Simping fools

mermaidsuk.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/EDI-Audit_-Recommendations-and-Next-Steps.pdf

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SinnerBoy · 01/02/2023 15:44

Boiledbeetle · Today 14:15

Now I'm imagining you with a tin head and eyes on stalks.

Slothtoes · 01/02/2023 16:05

That’s a really psychologically realistic observation. I wonder how other charities deal with it.
I also wonder if Mermaids would have the same or different issues with staff who are the other type of service user- parents of kids/ young people who have gender dysphoria or of kids who have adopted a trans or NB identity?

Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 16:49

SinnerBoy · 01/02/2023 15:44

Boiledbeetle · Today 14:15

Now I'm imagining you with a tin head and eyes on stalks.

Me?

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Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 16:51

Slothtoes · 01/02/2023 16:05

That’s a really psychologically realistic observation. I wonder how other charities deal with it.
I also wonder if Mermaids would have the same or different issues with staff who are the other type of service user- parents of kids/ young people who have gender dysphoria or of kids who have adopted a trans or NB identity?

I think a lot of charities must end up with service users as staff.

But are they usually so needy? And incapable of dealing with adult life?

Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 16:54

SinnerBoy · 01/02/2023 15:44

Boiledbeetle · Today 14:15

Now I'm imagining you with a tin head and eyes on stalks.

Unfortunately it's more like this these days

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NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 16:57

What I find interesting is that presumably, the service user>staff pipeline has mutated under Susie’s watch, probably due to ROGD (despite the protestations that ROGD is a terf conspiracy).

Mermaids was born as a support group for parents of extremely gender non conforming children (boys, because swishy boys were frowned on and tomboy girls were tolerated) who were ‘watching and waiting’.

Susie first made contact as one of these service users, a parent of a swishy boy, who was distressed due to being bullied at school (and according to the infamous Ted Talk, at home too).

Susie embraced the medical interventions that were happening on a small scale elsewhere, so much so that she took her swishy little boy to Norman Spack in the US, who supplied the blockers and hormones.

Susie and her tribe of the new type of gender-moms piled the pressure onto GIDS to supply these drugs at home in the UK. When GIDS were too cautious and slow in the adoption and roll out of this protocol, Susie struck up a working relationship with Webberly, and this new bigger group of NHS kids getting grey market meds piled further pressure on GIDS to take over prescribing for the sake of ‘harm reduction’.

And in that timeline the trans kids documentaries and reality shows started to roll out, and the pre teens and teens watching them on TV looked up the people in them online and found trans YouTubers, and then the big spike happened.

So the majority of Mermaids service users presumably moved from being concerned mummies of swishy boys and instead became teenagers, majority female, who had learned about trans online, many of whom had autistic traits, all of whom are thoroughly immersed in identity politics, through the phones in their pockets.

And thus the service user to staff pipeline (already established by Susie herself) meant that instead of a staff of mummies like
Suse, they now had a staff of very young, often autistic, adults who had been taught, via online conditioning, to hate their parents, and to hate ‘Karens’ and to hate ‘Boomers’ who had been instructed to run away from home and join glitter families.

Of course they were going to turn on Susie eventually.

And if we thought Susie was shit at running a charity, this load of blue haired babies are gonna be far, far worse. All we can hope is that the whole thing implodes when the safeguarding investigation reports back…

… and we don’t yet know how far the institutional capture has gotten inside the Charities Commission itself.

nilsmousehammer · 01/02/2023 17:00

Slothtoes · 01/02/2023 16:05

That’s a really psychologically realistic observation. I wonder how other charities deal with it.
I also wonder if Mermaids would have the same or different issues with staff who are the other type of service user- parents of kids/ young people who have gender dysphoria or of kids who have adopted a trans or NB identity?

One of the key issues raised by staff at Mermaids was resentment at non trans people on staff and in leadership positions - as Mermaids grew from a group of parents supporting other parents.

The problem is however, when you have a lot of highly needy service users there has to be someone to provide them with services.

Boiledbeetle · 01/02/2023 17:05

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 16:57

What I find interesting is that presumably, the service user>staff pipeline has mutated under Susie’s watch, probably due to ROGD (despite the protestations that ROGD is a terf conspiracy).

Mermaids was born as a support group for parents of extremely gender non conforming children (boys, because swishy boys were frowned on and tomboy girls were tolerated) who were ‘watching and waiting’.

Susie first made contact as one of these service users, a parent of a swishy boy, who was distressed due to being bullied at school (and according to the infamous Ted Talk, at home too).

Susie embraced the medical interventions that were happening on a small scale elsewhere, so much so that she took her swishy little boy to Norman Spack in the US, who supplied the blockers and hormones.

Susie and her tribe of the new type of gender-moms piled the pressure onto GIDS to supply these drugs at home in the UK. When GIDS were too cautious and slow in the adoption and roll out of this protocol, Susie struck up a working relationship with Webberly, and this new bigger group of NHS kids getting grey market meds piled further pressure on GIDS to take over prescribing for the sake of ‘harm reduction’.

And in that timeline the trans kids documentaries and reality shows started to roll out, and the pre teens and teens watching them on TV looked up the people in them online and found trans YouTubers, and then the big spike happened.

So the majority of Mermaids service users presumably moved from being concerned mummies of swishy boys and instead became teenagers, majority female, who had learned about trans online, many of whom had autistic traits, all of whom are thoroughly immersed in identity politics, through the phones in their pockets.

And thus the service user to staff pipeline (already established by Susie herself) meant that instead of a staff of mummies like
Suse, they now had a staff of very young, often autistic, adults who had been taught, via online conditioning, to hate their parents, and to hate ‘Karens’ and to hate ‘Boomers’ who had been instructed to run away from home and join glitter families.

Of course they were going to turn on Susie eventually.

And if we thought Susie was shit at running a charity, this load of blue haired babies are gonna be far, far worse. All we can hope is that the whole thing implodes when the safeguarding investigation reports back…

… and we don’t yet know how far the institutional capture has gotten inside the Charities Commission itself.

When you put it like that.

😳😱😵🙁😞

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 17:12

It’s all a bit Dr Frankenstein and his Monster, innit?

One trans identifying adolescent in the building is plenty for me most days, imagine trying to manage a workforce made up of them?

All the made up pronouns to remember!
All the micro aggressions to avoid making!
All the deadlines missed because ‘dysphoria’!

And now they want to introduce ‘Reverse Mentoring’ on top!

😬

hryllilegur · 01/02/2023 17:18

nilsmousehammer · 01/02/2023 17:00

One of the key issues raised by staff at Mermaids was resentment at non trans people on staff and in leadership positions - as Mermaids grew from a group of parents supporting other parents.

The problem is however, when you have a lot of highly needy service users there has to be someone to provide them with services.

The service should also be very effective at understanding and navigating the difference between the wants and needs of their very vulnerable and easily manipulated service users, who by definition are struggling to accept the material reality of their bodies.

As humans we quite often do not properly understand our own needs very well - even in good circumstances. In situations where we are vulnerable and being told that we are persecuted, we are highly unlikely to effectively advocate for ourselves or even know what we should be advocating for.

Responsible services recognise this and enable appropriate service user involvement.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 01/02/2023 19:13

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 16:57

What I find interesting is that presumably, the service user>staff pipeline has mutated under Susie’s watch, probably due to ROGD (despite the protestations that ROGD is a terf conspiracy).

Mermaids was born as a support group for parents of extremely gender non conforming children (boys, because swishy boys were frowned on and tomboy girls were tolerated) who were ‘watching and waiting’.

Susie first made contact as one of these service users, a parent of a swishy boy, who was distressed due to being bullied at school (and according to the infamous Ted Talk, at home too).

Susie embraced the medical interventions that were happening on a small scale elsewhere, so much so that she took her swishy little boy to Norman Spack in the US, who supplied the blockers and hormones.

Susie and her tribe of the new type of gender-moms piled the pressure onto GIDS to supply these drugs at home in the UK. When GIDS were too cautious and slow in the adoption and roll out of this protocol, Susie struck up a working relationship with Webberly, and this new bigger group of NHS kids getting grey market meds piled further pressure on GIDS to take over prescribing for the sake of ‘harm reduction’.

And in that timeline the trans kids documentaries and reality shows started to roll out, and the pre teens and teens watching them on TV looked up the people in them online and found trans YouTubers, and then the big spike happened.

So the majority of Mermaids service users presumably moved from being concerned mummies of swishy boys and instead became teenagers, majority female, who had learned about trans online, many of whom had autistic traits, all of whom are thoroughly immersed in identity politics, through the phones in their pockets.

And thus the service user to staff pipeline (already established by Susie herself) meant that instead of a staff of mummies like
Suse, they now had a staff of very young, often autistic, adults who had been taught, via online conditioning, to hate their parents, and to hate ‘Karens’ and to hate ‘Boomers’ who had been instructed to run away from home and join glitter families.

Of course they were going to turn on Susie eventually.

And if we thought Susie was shit at running a charity, this load of blue haired babies are gonna be far, far worse. All we can hope is that the whole thing implodes when the safeguarding investigation reports back…

… and we don’t yet know how far the institutional capture has gotten inside the Charities Commission itself.

I think this is probably a very, very good summary.

Slothtoes · 01/02/2023 20:05

Thank you for all these excellent posts.
Sounds like they might be seeing the effects of this wider politics that alienates children from their parents.
Individual devastation of course but also a culture encouraged where the young people remake themselves in their own image (which must be superficially empowering as well as disconnecting from others) and they are encouraged to feel like they have unique reasons to feel angry and alienated from the older/parental generations.

Which means higher education and workplace life must be very difficult for them to navigate without applying a lot of critical thinking to that politics.

But that sort of thinking is likely to be very unsettling so maybe is not something they will be able to think about for many years. I do worry for these young adults and the cognitive dissonance they have to carry.
We know that discovering you’ve been seriously lied to as a child is very traumatising so hopefully a professional organisation will be set up for them so that in future there is somewhere for young adults and their parents to process all of that.

mrshoho · 01/02/2023 20:52

When the organisation I worked for undertook a similar program, the key message was that a review had determined that most of the workforce were not aware of the key purpose/vision/bla bla and this new program rollout would ensure all from domestic staff all the way up to the top were singing from the same sheet. It meant performance reviews had to show how our role included a number of key behaviours. It was a disaster and totally inappropriate for many roles. Lots of upset staff. The organisation later went on to declare a huge financial deficit as well as poor management and serious Safeguarding issues.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 22:53

The EDI parasite has caused similar issues in several Silicon Valley tech companies - I forget the names of them, but basically, once you let it in, it eats through employee time and company resources the way the Very Hungry Caterpillar eats through fruit.

Only instead of turning into a butterfly, the company turns to uttershit, missing targets, losing clients and eventually, not really knowing what it is they go to work to do

Third Sector Magazine has a new article up - I’m surprised I can read it because a lot of their stuff isn’t viewable without an account:

www.thirdsector.co.uk/urgent-review-launched-mermaids-report-reveals-oppression-staff/governance/article/1811970

Belinda Bell needs to get a (metaphorical!) stab proof vest, she’s the white privileged academic mummy of a trans kids.
The EDI borg will come for her too. Unlike Suse, she’s not even getting paid for this.

Best come out as non binary, sharpish.

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NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 22:55

Oh! And as we learned from Maya’s tribunal, all this woke HR shit is imported from the US and isn’t properly compatible with UK Equalities and Employment laws anyway.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 01/02/2023 22:59

46,000 people helped via the phone line.

Even if we imagine that that figure usually represents a parent and child pairing, the thought that there could be 23,000-46,000 trans minors in the UK right now is a bit 😲

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/02/2023 23:16

Fascinating discussion. If employees are like the Stonewall employee who can't function in a formal setting without support animal, support worker and mother present, the work culture will be .... unusual to say the least.

Slothtoes · 02/02/2023 01:00

That write up shows some unusual things- the charity commission granting anonymity to two leaving Trustees on ‘safety’ grounds? WTF
Why would a charity’s leaving Trustee get more of a safety problem than a staying Trustee?
I can guess the answer in one case discussed on here where there were concerns over inappropriate opinions held around child sexual abuse.But two Trustees leaving?
Why was that issue not expanded on by the reporter?
That article shows exactly what women on here are saying. Smokescreen of internal issues acting as wider safeguarding fail.

NoSweat · 02/02/2023 01:44

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 20:47

It looks like it. But the language is like trying t o understand Esperanto.

The difference between 3 and 6 is the money - adequately compensate being the key words. So you're trans, employed by a organisation to promote trans rights but you're experience based knowledge has a price over and above your salary.

Righto - next appraisal I shall be informing my employers that they are buying my labour only - experience comes with an additional premium - happy days

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 02/02/2023 03:07

A few woeful tales of what happens to companies who encourage their employees to bring their whole selves to work…

Coinbase:

www.wired.com/story/turmoil-black-lives-matter-political-speech-coinbase/

Employees pressure boss to make public statement about George Floyd/BLM. Boss is hesitant. Staff act out, cry, threaten walkouts, plot against boss via internal comms systems etc

Boss makes Twitter statement on personal account, statement is deemed not good enough. More employee wailing. No work gets done.

Company attempts to crack down on destructive SJW chats on internal channels. Staff object. Boss ends up paying the wokish to get them to leave.

Basecamp:

www.platformer.news/p/-what-really-happened-at-basecamp

Similar to above, except the spark that almost burned down the company was a ten year old list of funny customer names, dug up from the depths of the internal comms system and declared racist by a group of staff who had formed a volunteer EDI action group.

Extract:

[interviews with employees] paint a portrait of a company where workers sought to advance Basecamp’s commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion by having sensitive discussions about the company’s own failures.

Extract 2:

[the boss] told me… …that attempting to link the list of customer names to potential genocide represented a case of “catastrophizing” — one that made it impossible for any good-faith discussions to follow... …the pyramid of hate had no place in the discussion. To him, it escalated employees’ emotions past the point of being productive”

Again, the company paid the troublemakers to leave (IIRC the fruit farmers found some of the troublemakers twitter/linked in accounts) Most of them had blue hair and pronouns in bio.

Meta/Facebook

At Meta, conversations about vaccines and abortions have taken up so much employee time/energy they’ve had to be outright banned:

wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/companies/meta-bars-employees-from-discussing-abortion-vaccine-efficacy-at-work-122120700401_1.html

And Facebook has recently decided to take everyone’s religion/political views/sexual orientation off of their profiles, without actually admitting that the company has realised that encouraging millions of people to display their labels (and for the company to build manipulative algorithms around those labels) wasn’t such a good idea after all.

(Stable. Horse. Door. Bolted)

techcrunch.com/2022/11/17/facebook-removing-profile-information-fields-religious-political-views/

Google:

Loads of diversity rows have broken out at
Google, so here’s just two of them

www.hcamag.com/us/specialization/diversity-inclusion/pride-month-google-workers-call-for-end-to-deadnaming/256793

Trans staff demand to have whatever name they fancy on their badge, even if they are working in some of the high security data jobs, because trans people should get special rules, obvs.

And Google has to warn it’s own employees not to stage a protest against the company as part of San Francisco Pride:

news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/google-warns-staff-about-protests-during-official-pride-events

Amazon:

www.engadget.com/amazon-employees-protest-amazon-stop-selling-books-anti-trans-064339541.html

Trans software engineers try to force the world’s largest bookseller into not selling books that trans software engineers don’t want to read. Involves embarrassing protest outside company HQ (were they on the company clock?)

Starbucks:

Starbucks in the US deliberately courted trans applicants by offering a generous medical insurance package that covered multiple transition surgeries.

www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/starbucks-to-pay-for-surgeries-for-its-transgender-employees/amp/

Unsurprisingly this attracted a workforce made up of folx who took loads of time off for surgery/recovery whilst also attempting to sue the company for misgendering.

Plus, as always, slagging their bosses off in the press:

www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/laurenstrapagiel/starbucks-transgender-employees

AND attempting to form new shop unions all over the place:

www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/06/21/starbucks-union-workers-trans-lgbtq/ (you might need to put that link in the archive site to read it)

Netflix

Who can forget the Netflix staff walkout that gave us ‘Repent Motherfucker’ as a catchphrase?

whyevolutionistrue.com/2021/10/25/andrew-sullivan-on-the-netflix-walkout-and-the-anti-gay-movement/

Pride

BLM/critical race theory has caused all sorts of issues for LGBT Pride organising committees in various cities across the world including Toronto

www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kirchick-gay-pride-black-lives-matter-20160705-snap-story.html

and London
theconversation.com/amp/black-lives-matter-police-and-pride-toronto-activists-spark-a-movement-79089

Pride also gets critiqued for not venerating TQ people sufficiently:

www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/06/pride-flag-has-representation-problem/619273/

Extract:

“I celebrate adding new colors to the Pride flag, especially when those colors remind us to center historically marginalized … members of the queer community,” Ari Monts, a 30-year-old religious educator based in Texas, told me. “People want to feel seen, and we should let them.” Still, Monts worries that this change may be mere performance, creating the impression of inclusion without real commitment. “Part of me,” Monts said, “hopes that it is a step towards a more liberatory queerness that rejects homonormativity and all the nonsense that comes with it.”

I have never in my life seen the word ‘homonormativity’ before today!

Basically, the TLDR is:

Equity Diversity and Inclusion policies that encourage the hiring/promotion of staff based on their protected characteristics rather than professional skills, that facilitate the airing of intersectional grievances and enable ‘lived experience’ to be leveraged against fellow workers and management alike will result in never ending purity spirals that can fuck your company/charity/political party/hobby group right up.

EDI is a blood sucking vampire, and Mermaids invited it in.

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EpicChaos · 02/02/2023 03:53

A " die - in "? Dear lord!
They never miss an opportunity to come up with exaggerated, attention seeking performances, do they? :-/

" I have never in my life seen the word ‘homonormativity’ before today! "

You and me both @NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom you and me both!

I hadn't heard this one either, " Who can forget the Netflix staff walkout that gave us ‘Repent Motherfucker’ as a catchphrase? " but i'll definitely be looking that one up.

Anyhoo, very good post, interesting to see how those big names were infected by the woke disease, nice to have a laugh at their expense too.

nilsmousehammer · 02/02/2023 07:51

My favourite performance still remains the 'protest' at a university lecture where they all lay on the floor and drummed their little heels while selfie videoing for posterity.

Slothtoes · 02/02/2023 08:03

Die ins like this started in the 1960s to protest against ACTUAL WARS… WHERE THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS WERE BEING KILLED

I’m so sick of the constant appropriation of other people’s pain. It’s nauseatingly entitled.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 02/02/2023 12:08

EpicChaos · 02/02/2023 03:53

A " die - in "? Dear lord!
They never miss an opportunity to come up with exaggerated, attention seeking performances, do they? :-/

" I have never in my life seen the word ‘homonormativity’ before today! "

You and me both @NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom you and me both!

I hadn't heard this one either, " Who can forget the Netflix staff walkout that gave us ‘Repent Motherfucker’ as a catchphrase? " but i'll definitely be looking that one up.

Anyhoo, very good post, interesting to see how those big names were infected by the woke disease, nice to have a laugh at their expense too.

A gift for you!

Approx 100 Netflix staff had a conniption over Dave Chapelle’s most recent special.
A much less famous comedian (the big dude in the check shirt) and his friend went along to counter protest/support Chappelle. They made some good natured signs and chanted ‘We like jokes’.

The protestors smashed their signs up, leaving the comedian, Vito, holding just a length of wood, which they then disingenuously declared to be a weapon.
In the middle of this, a person with a tambourine came along chanting ‘Repent Motherfucker’, like a new, much swearier, non binary version of the Sally Army.

The tambourine action starts at 5:40ish,

m.youtube.com/watch?v=zYb-_ghSf4E

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Boiledbeetle · 02/02/2023 12:15

@NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom

That's my homework for the weekend. And in case some posters actually thought TLDR, this was at the bottom

Basically, the TLDR is:

Equity Diversity and Inclusion policies that encourage the hiring/promotion of staff based on their protected characteristics rather than professional skills, that facilitate the airing of intersectional grievances and enable ‘lived experience’ to be leveraged against fellow workers and management alike will result in never ending purity spirals that can fuck your company/charity/political party/hobby group right up.

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