31 Jan 15:15 Women & Equalities Committee - Scottish GRR Bill

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Tomorrow 31st Jan at 15:15 the UK Government's Women and Equalities Committee are holding an evidence gathering session in relation to the Scottish GRR Bill. We can watch on Parliament TV live.

The witnesses are:
Naomi Cunningham Barrister and member of legal feminist
Dr Michael Foran, Public Law lecturer at Glasgow University.
Lord Charlie Falconer Barrister
Robin White Barrister

committees.parliament.uk/event/17258/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

From the Times article

A legal expert has warned Scotland’s controversial gender laws will provide men “who cross-dress for erotic purposes” with a “magic certificate” to access women’s spaces.

so we can definitely say it’s a fetish now, right?

As Nick Timothy said:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

"The legislation is part of a trend in which transgenderism and gender fluidity are normalised and made mainstream in culture. This is the kind of cultural context in which charities like Mermaids and even the NHS through its Tavistock clinic helped young people to make irreversible decisions to change their bodiess_. It is how governing bodies allow female sports to be ruined by trans athletes. It is how the BBC website joyfully writes up stories about children becoming drag queens, and cross-dressing men are invited to read to primary school pupils in schools and libraries.
It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

That is a good point, but what about the prevalence of facial feminisation surgery? It seems to be the ‘go to’, right after silicone implants.

I also imagine FFS, being so radical, would be very popular with dodgy men with a dodgy past who want to escape their mugshots in the papers catching up with them.

I know that our eyes would tell us something is off - irl, off camera, you can tell if someone has had plastic surgery, and with FFS you would be able to see the scar along the hairline. You would see also things in the body, the gait, that didn’t match.

But if this man was insistent they were a woman so forcefully that you started to question yourself, it would be much simpler if you could say “please bring in your birth certificate and photo ID” and for the birth certificate to have not been falsified.

Watching Bernard's post to see if it lasts the course... 👀

No.

It starts from the basis that predatory men will lie and cheat their way into women’s spaces.

so which U.K. media outlets have covered the evidence session?
i can’t see anything in the Guardian or Bbc online. Surprise!

Kirstie Allsop didn't believe @ TheCountessIE (org campaigning for single sex spaces in Ireland) describing two males' behaviour in a woman's prison last night and appealed to the bbc and guardian for clarification as she "doesn't always believe what's written on twitter."

Ireland: At least two of the men in the women’s wing ( capacity 28) in Limerick prison in Ireland, are sex offenders. They scream at female inmates in a sexual manner who then get sent to their cell should they complain. These women have already endured a lifetime of male abuse.

https://twitter.com/kirstiemallsopp/status/1620359132363767808?s=46&t=0cWeX_X0vxNl00Lpt1RS7Q

I tend to believe very little of what I read on Twitter, but if this is true it is wrong. Perhaps @guardian & @BBCr4today two news outlets I tend to trust, could look into it?

That is quite a clever way of challenging the BBC and the Guardian to investigate and not ignore this.

I think what might be annoying about (for Irish people) is the implication that Laoise's post would need confirmation by a British source. I doubt that is what KA meant (probably didn't think), but it might have come across that way.

And, seriously, The Guardian as a trusted source. Knowing that Hadley Freeman was gagged and censored... . Or BBC.

Yes I couldn't quite work out where she stood there. Was it a jibe, prompt or genuine query?

The situation for Irish women being locked up with violent rapists is so awful. This extract from 'Kylie Jender' on twitter points to how Sturgeon and al would have continued if there hadn't been the constitutional issue. Helen McEntee seems to think men (inc these sex offenders) are the real vulnerable people. Bringing blasphemy back too re gender woo.

Charlie Flanagan and Helen McEntee, consecutive Irish Ministers for Justice, must be only delighted that much of the Irish media didn’t find anything newsworthy about three extremely violent men being placed in the women’s wing of Limerick Prison during their watch.

But if this man was insistent they were a woman so forcefully that you started to question yourself, it would be much simpler if you could say “please bring in your birth certificate and photo ID” and for the birth certificate to have not been falsified.

It's much simpler not to doubt yourself!

Capitulating to insistent men has caused this mess. Time to stop.

I'd imagine a lot of the newly found trans status brigade, like the man in House of Fraser flashing his knob, would get knocked back. They wouldn't pass the medical bit of the process.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4726257-nick-timothy-in-the-telegraph-on-the-grr

It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

No it isn’t.

Standardising and having a formalised means to verify legal documents - admin - is far simpler than standardising and formalising human behaviour such as:

• Demonstrating rock-solid confidence in one’s own judgement by sense perception.
• Standing firm when faced with a highly manipulative and devious individual, including those who are charming and persuasive.
• Conscious focus and control and not defaulting to female socialisation and perhaps even animal instincts to defer to males or people articulating need.

I know very few women who are faultlessly capable of these behaviours, it would be a huge training task to instil them in women as standard.

Its far easier to make it unlawful to falsify a birth certificate.

At the moment there are only around 5,000 falsified birth certificates so it’s still reasonable to act on the basis of the birth certificate now I think. Obviously going forward the capability to legally falsify BC’s should be removed

however if self ID becomes a thing even this imperfect backstop goes away

Birth certificates are no longer the factual documents they once were. There will become a point where they might as well remove sex altogether as something recorded on a birth certificate. I guess that’s the ultimate aim of the genderists.

Robin's reasons for not applying for a GRC are set out here, in evidence given to the Women and Equalities Committee in 2020.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/16982/pdf/

Interestingly, in addition to saying "It does not appear to me to determine any rights which are significant to me", Robin appears to be against the secrecy clause in the GRA: "I do not like the fact that, if I obtained a GRC I might be the cause of, for example, and HR adviser collecting a criminal record for a mistake
in connection with revealing my history under s22 of the GRA."

So Robin seems to think that (1) GRC's are completely pointless and (2) they can lead to people who make an innocent mistake being prosecuted and acquiring a criminal record.

With this evidence in mind, I'm somewhat mystified as to why Robin thinks that changing the GRA to a self-ID process and allowing anyone to change their legal sex on that basis is a good idea.

(I haven't read through the whole document, just that section on why Robin doesn't have a GRC, so maybe this apparent contradiction is explained elsewhere.)

Interesting it is very difficult to think of instances the other way round - breastfeeding by choice for a biological woman with a GRC is the only thing I can think of? But then you could say they decided that was best for the child.

Freddy McConnell got a GRC and then immediately got pregnant via artificial insemination. This should have been grounds for removal of the GRC as Freddy was definitely not living as a man at that point.

So basically yet another hypocrite calling women transphobes whilst simultaneously raising the exact same concerns about self ID.

So Robin Moira White is both biologically and legally male?

According to RMW's testimony yesterday in front of MPs.

I personally couldn't comment.

I'd get banned