31 Jan 15:15 Women & Equalities Committee - Scottish GRR Bill

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Tomorrow 31st Jan at 15:15 the UK Government's Women and Equalities Committee are holding an evidence gathering session in relation to the Scottish GRR Bill. We can watch on Parliament TV live.

The witnesses are:
Naomi Cunningham Barrister and member of legal feminist
Dr Michael Foran, Public Law lecturer at Glasgow University.
Lord Charlie Falconer Barrister
Robin White Barrister

committees.parliament.uk/event/17258/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

Just watching what I missed earlier.

At 15.49,

NC: That is, I think, the rhetorical manoeuvre generally known as whataboutery

(in response to the young Scottish woman (sorry, didn't catch her name) reading out a letter signed by 'women's groups' regarding other pressing issues that could be being tackled rather than wasting time on this...)

Ouch

IANAL but I thought you had to always be who you are legally in court matters. Civil and / or criminal. And that extends to things like witness statements (ie if you have to provide one under JR or ET proceedings) as well as whether you're a lawyer or barrister or solicitor. Anyone know for sure?

✨✨💐💐BIG THANK YOU NAOMI CUNNINGHAM FOR USING CORRECT SEXED PRONOUNS THROUGHOUT! 💐💐✨✨

Reading the resignation thread, it's depressing to see that ERCC aren't even bothering to use the occupational exemption at all now when advertising for employees and volunteers and are openly saying TWAW. It just makes it obvious that they have no intention at all of using the SSE they are entitled to in any way.

So strictly speaking, you couldn't have a group of friends meeting up as an informal menopause group without having to include men? That's depressing.

I'm sorry but this really shows up the stupidity of the law.

It shows the pointlessness of the law. RW seemed to imply it caused no difficulties at all. Whoever it was asking the questions on the other hand looked mortified. It was really odd.

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I'm just speechless. Surely this proves we have self ID? Already

Yes we do.

Regarding that point, Robin slightly shot themselves in the foot admitting no grc; earlier discussion had centred around numbers and projected numbers after this bill passed, if it does. When clearly actual numbers could be higher.

Yeah, I mean the GRA had always worked on this mythical 5000 figure. We know from the census it's much higher that under self ID would qualify. So are all those others using the 5000 to do what the hell they like because no one can ask them if they are one of the 5000 that have got a bloody GRC

Monitors watching..?

I think so. My post has just been edited to remove a naughty word! Although I suppose that's better than a deletion :D

I can't even remember what it was. Can't have been that bad

Ooh editing rather than deletion. Hmm

I was looking thinking what's missing? But yeah better than deletion. Thank you mods

So, are men without a GRC legally regarded as men, without exception? One man without a GRC being the same as any other man without a GRC?

Now don't get me wrong, no one can actually change their sex, even if they are clutching a bit of paper saying they are the other sex. But, there seems to be pressure to collude with the falsehood that one is the other sex when someone has a GRC. Repeat the lie, so to speak, even when you know it is a falsehood.

Huh?

RMW transitioned in 2011 - this Times article was published just before RMW first appeared in court as RMW instead of just RW.

And Theresa May wasn’t PM until 2016 and didn’t say anything about a new system until 2017.

RMW could’ve applied for a GRC in 2013. Why the 4 year delay? Was RMW involved in some back room chats before May made her plans public or what?

A stray pronoun snuck in.

Separate post because it’s unseemly to speculate on a specific individual so I’m switching to general mode…

The big differences between the old GRC rules and the proposed new ones are:

Length of time living ‘in acquired gender’
Dysphoria diagnosis requirement
Spousal exit clause

On the topic of self-ID. It's serious if we do already have self-ID. Do we? It removes our capacity to consent. It's not safe. And that is wrong. I am reminded of this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

"Lord Falconer, Lord Chancellor under Tony Blair, dismissed the complaints of those concerned about the privacy and safety of women, saying, “The vast majority of [applicants] are likely to be genuine.”
How large a minority Lord Falconer believes might not be genuine was left unsaid. He was, after all, just guessing. But this is not an issue about which we can be blithe. For the consequences for the privacy and safety of women – and indeed the very sense of self felt by women as women – is at stake.
...

With no meaningful safeguards stopping men acquiring the necessary certificates, and with them the right to enter women-only spaces, the scope for abuse is clear.
To deny this – or to minimise the danger, as Lord Falconer did – is to deny reality itself.
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There are other dangers, too. The legislation is part of a trend in which transgenderism and gender fluidity are normalised and made mainstream in culture... It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

Just listening to as much of the debate as my blood pressure could stand 😡
I see what posters (up thread) mean about certain people going on about the numbers, as if this was a 'gotcha'.
But Naomi is right, it really doesn't matter.
Even just one fetishizing, voyeuristic, agp male in my space, or the spaces of our daughters, is one too many.
It's not just being assaulted, it is our privacy and dignity, too. We do not consent to this. The GRA must go.

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They have to be surely. That's the whole point. You are a man until you are legally a woman!

God that is a ridiculous sentence.

I know I'm so sick of how many?

None. I want Fucking none in my spaces.