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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Elite sports people speaking up!

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Signalbox · 30/01/2023 10:29

There seems to be an increasing number of sports people speaking up about the problem of males completing in women's sports which is positive. Thought it might be useful to have a thread of those who are risking sticking their heads above the parapet. Obviously the likes of Sharon Davies, Mara Yamauchi and Martina Navratilova have been bravely doing this for sometime but now we appear to have a few current athletes as well who are prepared to risk the mob to ensure women have fair competition. Is it too much to hope for that there will be a snowball effect?

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ellenback21 · 04/02/2025 19:46

I've only ever heard men use the term 'red mist'. DH and his (male) friend both use it when they are in a competitive situation.

lcakethereforeIam · 05/02/2025 19:48

Ah, the fabled 'red mist'. The haunt of perpetrators of DV, descended around the tw footballer. He lived in it long enough to finish the match and make a formal complaint? Usually the 'red mist' makes them lash out immediately and is then used to try to excuse whatever horror they've committed. Odd to see it in this context.

ConstructionTime · 05/02/2025 21:26

I notice increasingly much how there is not a clear hierarchy of sentences compared to the crimes or acts. It should flow from the heaviest sentence for the biggest crimes, down towards physical attacks and psychological coercion, down to things like verbal attacks and not paying your bus fare.

Also taken into consideration should be the amount of perpetrators versus the victim, like a verbal hateful attack of dozens of people against one is a different context than two equal people arguing in a college class room.

What we have instead is football hooliganism violence which also can destroy possessions of non-involved people, lots of destruction, heavy hospital costs for stitching them up afterwards, and often discussions say: that's just part of the game / they are very devoted fans (at least where I am), but on the other hand people getting the vapours for "misgendering".

I feel so many articles and decisions have no context, no "big picture", and everything is looked at as if the rest of the world didn't exist.

Helleofabore · 05/02/2025 22:46

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1887100795906376054?s=46

Three female swimmers are suing the Ivy League council of Presidents, President and Fellows of Harvard , Trustees of the Uni of Pennsylvania and the NCAA.

It is not just about allowing Thomas to compete it is about their loss of privacy to a male being allowed in their change room.

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WarningToTheCurious · 06/02/2025 09:57

On the BBC too.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20g85k3z35o

In a statement, Human Rights Campaign president Kelley Robinson said that the order "exposes young people to harassment and discrimination, emboldening people to question the gender of kids who don't fit a narrow view of how they're supposed to dress or look".

Oh the irony, coming from a movement that so rigidly reinforces gender stereotypes!

Signalbox · 06/02/2025 10:12

WarningToTheCurious · 06/02/2025 09:57

On the BBC too.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20g85k3z35o

In a statement, Human Rights Campaign president Kelley Robinson said that the order "exposes young people to harassment and discrimination, emboldening people to question the gender of kids who don't fit a narrow view of how they're supposed to dress or look".

Oh the irony, coming from a movement that so rigidly reinforces gender stereotypes!

That was already happening though because the trust had gone.

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ellenback21 · 06/02/2025 10:39

“We strongly believe that clear, consistent, and uniform eligibility standards would best serve today’s student-athletes instead of a patchwork of conflicting state laws and court decisions. To that end, president Trump’s order provides a clear, national standard”

They sound ... relieved? ...grateful? Almost as if this is what they wanted to do themselves but were too scared to do it? Utter cowards

SinnerBoy · 06/02/2025 10:51

An emotive lie reported as fact, by The Guardian:

Our hearts break for the trans youth who will no longer be able to know the joy of playing sports as their full and authentic selves.

As all of us know, they aren't being prevented from participating in sports.

OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit · 06/02/2025 11:09

SinnerBoy · 06/02/2025 10:51

An emotive lie reported as fact, by The Guardian:

Our hearts break for the trans youth who will no longer be able to know the joy of playing sports as their full and authentic selves.

As all of us know, they aren't being prevented from participating in sports.

AHH but not as their 'authentic selves'. Screw the girls driven out, injured or missing out as a result, the real tragedy here is Dave has to admit he isn't really a girl and play sports with all the other boys 🙄

BellaAmorosa · 06/02/2025 11:15

I would reply to the TAs:
Hypothetical Dave can still be a "trans girl" and play sport and share changing facilities with the other boys. If that's his authentic self, that's his authentic self. Nobody cares. His sex, on the other hand, matters a great deal.

duc748 · 06/02/2025 11:15

That Guardian piece is appalling, and right back to the worst of them. I suppose it's fishing for American clicks.

several hospitals across the US stopped providing care for transgender youth.

Ooh, they're cruel, aren't they? Well, it depends what you mean by 'care'. 🙄And again, no-one is being 'banned' from participating in sport.

BellaAmorosa · 06/02/2025 11:19

Ooh, they're cruel, aren't they? Well, it depends what you mean by 'care'.

Exactly. The piece doesn't quote the actual titles of the Executive Orders, which is telling.

SinnerBoy · 06/02/2025 11:40

I don't see radical mastectomies for underaged girls and health ruining puberty blockers as care.

Helleofabore · 06/02/2025 11:48

ellenback21 · 06/02/2025 10:39

“We strongly believe that clear, consistent, and uniform eligibility standards would best serve today’s student-athletes instead of a patchwork of conflicting state laws and court decisions. To that end, president Trump’s order provides a clear, national standard”

They sound ... relieved? ...grateful? Almost as if this is what they wanted to do themselves but were too scared to do it? Utter cowards

I suspect so. It must be like a minefield negotiating all the different policies and laws.

ConstructionTime · 06/02/2025 14:46

OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit · 06/02/2025 11:09

AHH but not as their 'authentic selves'. Screw the girls driven out, injured or missing out as a result, the real tragedy here is Dave has to admit he isn't really a girl and play sports with all the other boys 🙄

Recently I saw a page which chronicles all the injuries and also has statistics on how college sports young adults and men are already running fast and jumping further than olympian women.

I think the page aggregates from several sources, but they also have their own material.
https://www.hecheated.org/

Additionally it is shown that what I read yesterday in some article, that there would only be a handful of tw athletes in college sports, is disputed, because there are listed far more people.
https://www.hecheated.org/updates

All the prize money and chances are taken over, too. And even if there were "just" a handful of people in college sports, that would still impact their own team and all the teams theirs plays against, hundreds of people.

A compilation of injuries:
https://www.hecheated.org/injury_report

SinnerBoy · 06/02/2025 15:21

What on Earth is going through the heads of these officials? Surely they can see and hear about what is happening before their very eyes? Why is it that some bodies have evaluated the evidence and said,

"Sorry but no - the differences in speed and strength are too pronounced, it's too dangerous to allow this to continue,"

yet the others pretend that all is fair and fine?

Are they psychopaths? Do they enjoy seeing girls and women sustain serious injuries, which may be career end?

OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit · 06/02/2025 19:50

ConstructionTime · 06/02/2025 14:46

Recently I saw a page which chronicles all the injuries and also has statistics on how college sports young adults and men are already running fast and jumping further than olympian women.

I think the page aggregates from several sources, but they also have their own material.
https://www.hecheated.org/

Additionally it is shown that what I read yesterday in some article, that there would only be a handful of tw athletes in college sports, is disputed, because there are listed far more people.
https://www.hecheated.org/updates

All the prize money and chances are taken over, too. And even if there were "just" a handful of people in college sports, that would still impact their own team and all the teams theirs plays against, hundreds of people.

A compilation of injuries:
https://www.hecheated.org/injury_report

They are Schrödinger's minority - when it's males with a trans identity being told no they are are tiny number and it is tragic, heartbreaking etc but when when it's the much larger number of females impacted by males in female spaces it's suck it up buttercup.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2025 18:34

Good policy! "Female sex at birth" and "trans men" not allowed to be on hormone treatment. They can compete in the male category if risk assessment done.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/03/2025 19:53

Great. Another step back to sanity and safety for women.

oviraptor21 · 09/03/2025 07:29

Sadly the LTA is not quite there yet. Transwomen still allowed in women's sport at club level. And a new page on their competition entry site which perpetuates gender ideology.

Elite sports people speaking up!
Helleofabore · 15/03/2025 13:50

World Rowing just voted to protect female sport category.

https://x.com/rowinggeek/status/1900861851346350416?s=46

But let’s see the detail.

And apparently the more powerful rowing nations were not as on board but the overall vote was to protect the category.

https://x.com/rowinggeek/status/1900861851346350416?s=46

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