Evan Davis

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Evan Davis has just finished the PM programme. We had articles on the effect of Instagram on the restaurant trade, on Chat gpt and on wearing shorts in the winter.
Guess how long the article on Isla Bryson / Adam Graham ran for ...

I thought that was a really good interview, the Mother and Daughter both came across very well. No screeching or blaming, just a simple tale of a parent doing the best they could for their child.

"We've hoped to bring a kind of calm to the discussion but it is very easy to trip up ...indeed l think we did trip up..."

He knew damn well he was not bringing 'calm' to the discussion. He was bringing gaslighting and disinformation. And now he is on the BBC naughty step and having to grit his teeth and talk to the bigots to make it all better. Bless

That was extremely good. I couldn't believe what I was hearing on PM with Evan. It might be worth it's own thread as people do search this forum to find stuff. It would be a good interview for anyone who hasn't considered the possibilities beyond 'protect trans kids', the possible unintended consequences of the ban on conversion therapy, and especially anyone wondering how to respond to their own kid if ìt doesn't ring true to them. The way the mother spoke was brilliant. She loved and knew her child. She also explained this really well - if everyone agreed that she is a boy she will always feel betrayed by her body as it goes through female pubity.

Thank goodness Ruby didn't have any medical intervention

ILikeDungs · Today 18:06

He was bringing gaslighting and disinformation. And now he is on the BBC naughty step and having to grit his teeth and talk to the bigots to make it all better. Bless

I hope he pooed his pants in rage, on the drive home.

Twitter normally goes trans activism mad with Evan Davis and his segments on trans. This time, not so much. There is the odd tweet:

twitter.com/OhLankyLanky/status/1622657089263869952

twitter.com/tweetymike/status/1622658436239351809

I kept having to pinch myself that it was being broadcast, so powerfully and straightforwardly. It’s just utterly horrifying that the sane, loving response of those parents a) isn’t universal and b) is disparaged as bigotry.

I hope he pooed his pants in rage, on the drive home.

hehehehe what an image

nauticant the first one does say in the second tweet 'where's the balance?'

and the second one seems to have been deleted, or is it just me?

I don't know what happened there:

twitter.com/tweetymike/status/1622659380423401478

This isn't usual. There's normally be a tsunami of tweets like that.

i-player is up.
"On PM over the last year we have been giving quite a bit of space to the sometimes fraught debates around the rights of and respect for transpeople, around gender identity and biological sex."

Who gets rights and respect, Evan?

Miss! Miss! I know! Is it "women"?

It was a very good interview today. Ruby and her mother were fabulous. (And parenting goals there.)

These people never explain why they think it's better for a teenager to be sterilised and become a lifelong medical patient with impaired sexual function than it is for them to accept their healthy body as it is.

I noticed some things he never mentioned which his researchers should have picked up so he could have mentioned them:

The Cass report - that affirmation is not neutral

4000% increase in girls feeling they are trans

Research shows most teenagers desist by 18-19 if not affirmed.

I miss Eddie too!

Yes, definitely required to do this interview as atonement for past crimes against impartiality. However, even today he hurriedly interrupted Mum when she started to talk about “medical interventions”.

The mum was excellent, the family must have gone through such turmoil , but in retrospect it was worth it, poor Ruby has transitioned from adolescent to adult - which is the real and natural transition that everyone makes- safely and without any permanent damage to her body. I thought what the mum said about how pandering ( and that word was used I think) by using the preferred name and adjectives must make the drastic changes that are happening in a teens body and which the teen is daily having to live with, more difficult to bear by people pretending that the teen really has changed sex and ignoring the reality f their physical development. Such a sensible and rational approach.

Ruby you were very blessed to have such sensible parents , who were also it seems canny enough to see through the Tavistock crap too.

And saying “supposedly”! I think Ruby was quite clear that she is no longer trans, and is very happy living in her unmutilated body and not facing a lifetime of medication with hormones. Says a lot about TRAs that they are so determined to push their agenda that they refuse to believe a persons own experience if it doesn’t fit with the mindset.

That was really good. And I'll say it again, ALWAYS complain. They do collate the logs (used to work at the BBC) and senior management and producers read the overnight logs. I'm sure the interview today was an attempt at balance after last weeks debacle. Hold them to account.

They do collate the logs (used to work at the BBC) and senior management and producers read the overnight logs.
What's in a 'log', though. Do they get the detail of complaints - I've had the same cut'n'paste BBC reply, that didn't really answer the issues I raised.

I thought Ruby and her mother mother were wonderful because they explained the nuances of all they had been through ,and all they had learned along the way. Neither came across as angry, over vehement, or dismissive of trans people who made other decisions.

At the same time, Ruby’s mother held her ground about her family’s neutral approach being the safest for children even though Evan was at pains to insisted some people are ‘just trans’.

Ruby’s mother was extraordinary given she navigated all this when there was less knowledge and push-back against trans ideology than there is now.

It was good she explained the very real danger, that under a ban on conversion therapy, her resistance to affirming Ruby as trans might be called conversion therapy - even though that was the right thing for Ruby. Especially well done of her as Evan did refer to the ‘torture’ involved in conversion therapy.

This is where the BBC should have mentioned the research showing the very large proportion of teens who desist when they are not affirmed. The various co-morbidities there are known to occur with young people suffering from gender dysphoria including autism, trauma, being gay possibly, and peer pressure (given the huge increase in numbers, and in groups).

But all in all it was an excellent programme as a start.

Not JKR! His apology to her was very halfhearted.

Ooh good to know. I will listen when I get home. I also got a cut n paste reply to my complaint today that quoted ED’s tweet but didn’t address anything I had raised.

When I wrote the complaint I had no idea that Stacey was a transwoman; I was listening in the wild in the midst of making dinner etc and did not catch the names of either interviewee. My ears told me they were both men; and thus I called them men in my complaint.

The response was very deliberately peppered with “she” & “her”.

Just listened to the interview, can’t quite believe PM gave all that time to this subject, it was brilliant. I agree the producers would have told him he had to do something pretty damn quick, in-order to stop anymore complaints.

I do hope Evan learnt a lot from those amazing women he interviewed.