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Evan Davis

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senua · 26/01/2023 17:58

Evan Davis has just finished the PM programme. We had articles on the effect of Instagram on the restaurant trade, on Chat gpt and on wearing shorts in the winter.
Guess how long the article on Isla Bryson / Adam Graham ran for ...

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 26/01/2023 23:15

Nothing on Newsnight either. Very long item on the sugar tax.

CriticalCondition · 27/01/2023 00:07

Nothing on Question Time either. Newscast has a few minutes to go but I'm not holding my breath.

ILikeDungs · 27/01/2023 00:18

Missing Eddie Mair on PM. He'd have gone up one side and down the other of this issue.

RaininginDarling · 27/01/2023 00:28

ILikeDungs · 27/01/2023 00:18

Missing Eddie Mair on PM. He'd have gone up one side and down the other of this issue.

Agree.

These days, BBC news is a joke

Mollyollydolly · 27/01/2023 00:31

Can't believe it wasn't on Question Time. What cowards they are. I don't believe for one moment there weren't tonnes of questions on it.

Justasec321 · 27/01/2023 01:06

senua · 26/01/2023 17:58

Evan Davis has just finished the PM programme. We had articles on the effect of Instagram on the restaurant trade, on Chat gpt and on wearing shorts in the winter.
Guess how long the article on Isla Bryson / Adam Graham ran for ...

I have written several times to complain about him.

He is very trans women are women, trans women are vulnerable, women are mean.

BUT he is also incredibly weak on everything else.

PM used to be a great show with great brains looking into everything.

This man wants to be "hail fellow, well met!", let's all get along, and now have PM Lite as Lite can be. No intellectual heft at all.

After 25 dedicated years I don't listen any more.

And all because of Evan!

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 27/01/2023 08:41

I’ve switched to listening to Times radio. Evan Davis /BBC radio 4 are partial, misogynist, biased and have their agenda. They hate women particularly older women who stray from their agenda which is to push cultural revolution and eventually break down any barrier to men freely accessing children for sex and silence women so we are never listened to. That is what is happening here.

PerilousErection · 27/01/2023 08:49

We listen to PM as a family, it's on as the kids do homework, I cook and we eat. No wonder they think I'm totally awful when Evan's misogynist view is what they are hearing. I detest the way he does the half laugh as he asks a question to indicate he looks down on his interviewee.

faffadoodledo · 27/01/2023 08:57

He doesn't have editorial control. He may have influence but not control.
A newsroom doesn't work like that. Which is worse in a way because it means there's a whole editorial structure ignoring the issues.

That said I can't listen to him doing an piece about trans issues. He's just not giving it enough intellectual welly.

Whatthechicken · 27/01/2023 09:01

For two episodes now, Question Tine has avoided the issue. It’s of huge public interest and a constitutional crisis and they have purposefully not covered it.

baublingon · 27/01/2023 09:01

Nicedayout22 · 26/01/2023 18:06

Couple of minutes? Or did he get an AI version of Plato to say it's all ok again (which they did earlier this week)

I thought that was absolutely excruciating- ED’s hopeful little voice asking if the AI text - which was a bland sort of ‘be kind’ thing - was actually showing us what Einstein would have thought about trans issues. Presumably angling for massive scoop of ‘Einstein would have believed TWAW!’.

(The answer was no, and if I remember correctly, that the AI-generated text probably reveals more about the person entering the prompt)

baublingon · 27/01/2023 09:03

faffadoodledo · 27/01/2023 08:57

He doesn't have editorial control. He may have influence but not control.
A newsroom doesn't work like that. Which is worse in a way because it means there's a whole editorial structure ignoring the issues.

That said I can't listen to him doing an piece about trans issues. He's just not giving it enough intellectual welly.

That said I can't listen to him doing an piece about trans issues. He's just not giving it enough intellectual welly.

This. It’s always so exasperating to listen to - no real substance to any discussions, just poor minority trans people trying to quietly live their lives. He never acknowledges the complexity of it all.

highame · 27/01/2023 09:14

A good piece on Outside Source last night. Ros Atkins is good

ILikeDungs · 27/01/2023 17:37

My friend has been by this afternoon for a catch up. First thing she said "Did you listen to PM last night? That weasel Evan Davis didn't even mention the SNP rapist scandal!!"

And this friend is influenced by her DD's "how does it hurt you?" and "why can't you just be kind?" And yet she recongnised that this story is important and must be told. It's not just me. It's not just us. Chuffed, I was.

1stWorldProblems · 27/01/2023 17:51

I think you're being unfair branding all BBC lax because of Evan - who I can't listen to on this subject. He's definitely TWA but Ros Atkins & Justin Webb definitely aren't. Webb's take down of of Ben Cohen from Pink News back in June 21 made his "unbiased" opinion v clear as do his regular retweets of JKR & others. He's always icily polite & calm about it too.
Justin Webb & Ben Cohen

Ridemeginger · 27/01/2023 17:57

Exceptions to prove the rule. The BBC is incredibly captured by trans ideology, first through Stonewall, and post the Nolan expose, through their internal Pride organisation. They are our national broadcaster, responsible to all the citizens of this country forced to pay the licence fee. They have allowed, through their silence and/or complicity, through their failure to hold truth to power, trans ideology to take a grip on every single public institution in the country. That a few journalists are now talking about trans incursions of women's rights, that e.g. Woman's Hour will give it the occasional critical going over, is simply not enough to counter their years of silence and unquestioning acceptance, and their continuing complicity.

ILikeDungs · 27/01/2023 18:10

I agree it isn't everyone at the BBC, and l have heard the rumour that there is a group of BBC employees trying to fight back. But this is interesting from Kisin talking about the BBC agenda, it's not long but the BBC stuff is from about four minutes in:

faffadoodledo · 27/01/2023 18:12

Yes. Justin Webb does an icily excellent job.

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senua · 27/01/2023 18:12

I think you're being unfair branding all BBC lax because of Evan
After visiting BBC websites, I am sometimes asked to offer feedback. They take my details for statistical purposes. They ask which region I live in, ask my age. Fine. They ask my gender. I complain, and tell them why, every. single. time.

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ILikeDungs · 27/01/2023 18:30

I have made a number of complaints to the BBC, and some of them have been about Evan Davis. I just went looking for a copy of one and can't find it, but l found the draft. Discussing an interview he had with K Stock/ I Willoughby, from 2021. This is part of my letter to the BBC:

"...The reason it's so divisive is because those two world views clash in policy making. But Evan specifically didn't want to talk about the policy clash. The clash is the issue. I found the fact that Evan really didn't want to talk about the practical implications of the ideology really revealing. Basically he articulated his 'lalalala not listening' stance. Do better, Evan.

One of the other reasons it's so divisive is that people like Evan have been engaged in #nodebate for at least four or five years. They should have been curating this discussion so that it could happen in a sensible way. Instead it's been allowed to happen in a completely dysfunctional and unregulated way. Why would that be (hint: Stonewall)? Instead we have had a very clear signal from Evan that anyone who questions gender ideology ("Trans rights") is transphobic. Listen to his interview with Harry the Owl again. He clearly had a side and it was not Harry's. Another PM tactic is simply to stay stum, so important events have not been covered and they may as well not have happened. This is not the answer. Discussion is good and many will applaud this. Journalism is also about asking the right (not the safe) questions, Evan."

Still complaining about lack of coverage, in 2023. Another PM tactic is simply to stay stum, so important events have not been covered and they may as well not have happened.

WarriorN · 27/01/2023 18:31

"Teenage oppositional defiance disorder from adults does my fucking head in"

Great line KK!
There are those at the bbc pushing back. I was told by one there, especially on balance.

I do think there's been some small headway in this with Nolan and progs like anti social etc.

And Justin is definitely having none of it.

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senua · 27/01/2023 18:59

If anyone feels like making a complaint, the BBC's editorial standards are here and the complaints page is here.

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Mollyollydolly · 27/01/2023 19:07

I've just posted a thread about women's sport and whoever runs the BBC Sport twitter account if anyone wants to complain about that as well. I'm ex BBC a lot of people thinks its bollocks but they're too scared to say owt. Complain every time, management do look at them.

faffadoodledo · 27/01/2023 19:08

@Mollyollydolly also ex BBC here. And wondering what some of my former colleagues (now in higher eschelons) are thinking...

Mollyollydolly · 27/01/2023 19:14

People are scared. I know someone who was working in diversity programmes, first thing someone said to them at a meeting - whatever you do don't do anything on trans issues, it's a minefield. And I know of colleagues who've been reported for things they've said by younger 'woke' colleagues. It's just like the NHS, civil service, we just need to get to that tipping point and LGBTQ+ groups need putting back in their box. They're not editorial staff ffs!