Anybody considering home schooling because of all of this gender fuckery?

[YourVagesty]

Disclaimer before we get into it: I am, and always will be an ally to the lesbian and gay communities.

Right, that out of the way... I've got two nieces and a stepdaughter who all think they are trans. Frankly, I'm fed up of every conversation with them leading back to whether they are a demiboy or queer etc. It's relentless. I've told them to forget labels and focus on what makes them a good or inspiring person, and to just fall in love with whoever they fall in love with - when they are old enough obviously. Whatever, I don't care.

I'm over the culty obsession with all of it and if it was any other trend, I'd be unconcerned (teen fads come and go). But obviously, with this one, they are at risk of ending up sterilised or in chronic pain if they get too sucked into it.

As much as I'd hope that this will all pass, part of me thinks this new scientific-unreality is here to stay and frankly, I don't want my toddler to enter a school system that promotes the idea that you can choose to be male or female. I don't need him having anxieties over whether playing with girl toys makes him a girl etc.

I don't want him coached into thinking about things that I find as unbelievable as the existence of Jesus Christ.

I want him to learn life skills and make friends basically. So my mind is ticking over the idea of home schooling and I wondered whether others are feeling this way?

I guess if there are enough parents that feel this way in some geographical areas, that they could start their own mini schools?

Obviously, as he gets older, I'll be careful with his Internet use too because I know the Internet shoulders much of the blame for the social contagion aspect.

If there are any teachers reading, what's your perspective on this? What is happening in the schools from your point of view? I'm from an academic background and I know the universities have gone all in on all of this. Meh.

Sorry for the long post!

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The ‘kids identifying as cats’ thing is an urban legend originating in the US. Anyone claiming it’s happening at their school is a bullshit merchant.

www.facebook.com/146600518741160/posts/pfbid0X3KWEyGcSH4gBQeCZ1zzJavES7DLHBqkwQsdFauBDj8WTkoSQS8csyYx66kKKsADl/

This article also states that it's false rumours but many local parents have said that their children say it's all true. The school are just denying it. There is a picture and video circulating of one of them , and it is definitely in the same town, not just a random picture that someone found online. They look terrifying.

I can’t read that because it requires a Facebook login.

So where you say “It’s true unfortunately. The newspapers reported on it yesterday.” The newspapers are reporting that it is not true, but people on Facebook are saying otherwise?

wow, what a mouthful. You do not believe Jesus existed but are against the trans agenda.

Bookworm- cats maybe, but a girl at my dcs school says she is a fox. I’m not even joking.
DC thinks it’s ridiculous, we’ve had a funny conversation imagining the poor child going through bins, getting chased by dogs etc. DC isn’t sure what the girl actually does to be a fox, no whiskers or tail apparently. Again, for the benefit of doubt, this is in a UK school.

Academic background, hm ......the whole tone of the post sounds like a horsewoman

Do you think this nonsense will pass? I gave about 5 years until mine are at high school. They'll be so confused!🤯

What the hell?????

No, mine are in the senior phase in high school, but I’m very very glad their school years are coming to an end.

What does that mean? Lots of us on here are horsewomen, what's wrong with us??

Nope. There's one child at my children's school identifying as a cat. A teacher friend who works there verified it.

"the whole tone of the post sounds like a horse woman"

Am I supposed to be offended by that? 😁

@CrimsonPostBox I don't doubt he existed, I just doubt the accounts of what he did. I could've been clearer in my opening post but it was an off the cuff remark.

"Very much delaying phones and social media as long as I possibly can. They don't have Internet access beyond cbbc/ iPlayer. No robolox etc, mine craft closed is ok. I took YouTube kids away mainly as I hate the format but also my eldest's behaviour was effected (as was a friend's child of the same age.) he watches much better things via iPlayer, including lots of nature documentaries."

Absolutely @WarriorN I've heard a few parents of older children say that they regret giving their children phones so young. Not just because of this issue but because of online bullying etc. At the moment, Im thinking I won't get my son a smart phone until he's at least 14.

What was the effect of YouTube Kids if you don't mind me asking?

Oh and also (sorry, questions, questions), why was Roblox a problem? Just curious because my SD plays on that. I wonder if its impacting her behaviour in any way.

This is exactly what dh and I have decided. I mean, that fucking new Monsters High movie, the very trailer for it one of the characters introduces herself (and is a blatant she), "Clawdeen - Pronouns they/them". FUCK OFF.

They (our kids) have very limited access to anything, no online stuff at all. And they are happy, well-adjusted kids.

@YouJustDoYou and then there's the new Disney Baymax series that shows a transgender man offering a little girl advice on which tampons to buy.

Just WHY?! It must be so confusing for them.

How old are your kids if you don't mind me asking? Do they kick against the boundaries you've put up? I'm hoping to be similarly watchful over what my son watches. I hate the idea of letting him loose on the Internet, it'd fry his brain.

I'm cautiously optimistic I can guide my kids through it despite other influences. DD is 15, at state comp, and as GC as they come.

Right, apologies for infiltrating but this is just an echo-chamber so here's a different view.

There's genuine social issues in the world like people living on the breadline, racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia but you're all there worrying about labels people assign themselves and how they dress. Honestly, what is the actual problem? And what do you want a school to do? Force a child to live a certain way, however miserable it makes them, just to keep you happy?

Whether you agree with it or not, or perceive it as "real" or not, transgender people exist just like gay people exist and non-trans people exist and straight people exist. If it's a case of not wanting your kids to be trans like it's a contagious school bug, i) they will come across similar ideas elsewhere (TV, film, music, extra-curricular activities, etc.) and ii) being so anti-trans in the hope your kids won't be trans is just the same as families who are anti-gay and hope their kids won't be gay. Some parents seem to think they can control who their kids become but people will be who they are and your kids are who they are and will be who they will be, regardless of how easy you make it for them. If your children turn out to be trans (and it's very unlikely), you may find that being so closed-minded on this issue causes problems between you and your children in the future, like the strained relationships between homophobic parents and gay children.

Dd goes to a Catholic school in the hope that this rubbish isn't taught

I am just so very relieved my DC are in their 20's.

I won't lie and say I'm not concerned for my grandchildren when they come along.

The cat/fox thing had me quite floored.

I don’t talk about it much, dc have some knowledge from
school re gender pronouns etc, but I do reinforce you can’t change sex from early age.

Seems ok so far, as long as they know biological reality I’m ok.

Plus I’d never homeschool ;

Labyrinth- I’ll bite.

1. people have different priorities, ‘‘twas ever thus.
2. people who adopt perceived stereotypes of the opposite sex clearly exist, no one is saying that they don’t or cares about what people wear. (Caveat: rainbow dildo monkey etc excepted).
3. I just don’t consent to any men feeling entitled to claim womanhood and gain access to the safe spaces that we fought so hard for.
4. I don’t feel comfortable sharing enclosed spaces with men I don’t know. What they are wearing is irrelevant.
5. Now that we know, thanks to the census, that men who pose as woman are more likely than other men to be sex offenders, I am more, not less, wary of men who say they are women. How can I tell what their motivation is? And why should I have to think about it?

I wouldn’t home school because I am a single parent and my children go/have been to an excellent school (my eldest DD is now at university) which offers a breadth of learning I could not offer. Having been to school in the 1980s when the insult of the day was ‘lesbian’, I was pleased to see that sexual identities were known and accepted. (I come to gender later in my post)

My DD is asexual and that was something I knew nothing about and had to learn. I don’t think that would have been something recognised when I was growing up. Actually her point is that this was not discussed in sex ed, the assumption was that everyone would want to have sex or be sexual. I have read threads on here which are vitriolic and dismissive of asexual people. So some more awareness and acceptance would be helpful. She is quite non-conforming gender-wise and confidently so, but still female (and feminist), by which I mean she has not - to my knowledge - questioned her gender identity. It is possible for young people to come through all of this with a strong sense of self.

None of this relates to gender identity or trans people but I suppose my point is that children and young people have to find their way in the world and the world looks different from how it did when we were growing up. I think the points above in this thread about doing due diligence and being engaged and knowing what schools are doing (and why) are important but generally, not just on one issue. Someone upthread said there are a lot of social, peer pressure issues to be aware of - not just gender identity - and for me it was always about listening, making sure my DC felt supported. I don’t think I can control how they engage with and see the world, just talk about it.

I also agree with the poster who says that home schooling has to be about more than one issue.

I would agree that religious schools don't necessarily escape the contagion. It's not so much what schools are teaching but rather the external influences being brought in and schools are left to work through how they should and shouldn't be handling it. Yes many schools linked up with stonewall and/or bought in services to deliver PSHE and that is where you should do your research. Even without these influences though the identity ideology will be there. My daughter was at an all girls Christian school with a large number of girls identifying as non binary, trans and yes there was a girl identifying as a cat. My daughter who has autism was heavily influenced and we went through some difficult years but all along we never affirmed her nonbinary claims. She's 18 now and at a mixed sixth form and finding her way, growing in confidence. My 16 year old Son was at an all boys school and at no time while he was there did he hear of any boys identifying as nonbinary or trans.

By saying my DD is still female, to be clear, I don’t think people can change sex, I was just trying to express that it is possible still for young people today to be gender non-conforming and not be pulled into questioning their gender/sex. Not sure if that makes sense.