Anybody considering home schooling because of all of this gender fuckery?

[YourVagesty]

Disclaimer before we get into it: I am, and always will be an ally to the lesbian and gay communities.

Right, that out of the way... I've got two nieces and a stepdaughter who all think they are trans. Frankly, I'm fed up of every conversation with them leading back to whether they are a demiboy or queer etc. It's relentless. I've told them to forget labels and focus on what makes them a good or inspiring person, and to just fall in love with whoever they fall in love with - when they are old enough obviously. Whatever, I don't care.

I'm over the culty obsession with all of it and if it was any other trend, I'd be unconcerned (teen fads come and go). But obviously, with this one, they are at risk of ending up sterilised or in chronic pain if they get too sucked into it.

As much as I'd hope that this will all pass, part of me thinks this new scientific-unreality is here to stay and frankly, I don't want my toddler to enter a school system that promotes the idea that you can choose to be male or female. I don't need him having anxieties over whether playing with girl toys makes him a girl etc.

I don't want him coached into thinking about things that I find as unbelievable as the existence of Jesus Christ.

I want him to learn life skills and make friends basically. So my mind is ticking over the idea of home schooling and I wondered whether others are feeling this way?

I guess if there are enough parents that feel this way in some geographical areas, that they could start their own mini schools?

Obviously, as he gets older, I'll be careful with his Internet use too because I know the Internet shoulders much of the blame for the social contagion aspect.

If there are any teachers reading, what's your perspective on this? What is happening in the schools from your point of view? I'm from an academic background and I know the universities have gone all in on all of this. Meh.

Sorry for the long post!

You are not the only parent considering this OP, but I would be wary of throwing the baby out of the bath water if this is the only reason you're thinking of home schooling.

Personally, I would just ensure you conduct due diligence on the schools you are thinking of sending your toddler too. Check policies, ask to so PSHE materials, meet with the Head etc and discuss your concerns if needs be.

Got to dash but place marking, will pop back later.

I know someone who's put their kids in a strict religious school to avoid all of this despite not following the religion themselves. The family is very left wing but doesn't support gender ideology.

It's definitely a trend that people seem to be jumping on. I've had enough of it and won't engage in conversation about it with anyone. (In real life obviously, as I'm typing about it now lol).

A girl in my daughters primary decided one day she was trans and had her hair cut short and dressed as a boy. My daughter didn't have a problem with it, but the group of friends then decided someone should be 'transphobic', and that person was my daughter.

I ended up having to take my daughter out of school. Madness. She's in comp now and much happier with a completely different group of friends.

But yes, I'm sick to death of it.

@Leafstamp

"You are not the only parent considering this OP, but I would be wary of throwing the baby out of the bath water if this is the only reason you're thinking of home schooling."

That's what concerns me, that he'll lose all of the other valuable lessons of being in the classroom (namely social lessons).

I'm relieved to hear others are considering the pros and cons of this - it makes me feel a bit less like an extremist mum 😁

@Princesspollyyy

Thats so messed up and I completely sympathise. I'm so sorry you daughter went through that. I'm glad she's doing better in the new school.

My stepdaughter decided she was trans and then lesbian (again, whatevs) and got a girlfriend. For the first time, she had a big group of love-bombing friends. But then she decided she wasn't lesbian after all (and I suspect not trans either although she's pushing full steam ahead with that and now wants chest binders) but she told me that she can't tell her friends because 'they won't be supportive, at all'.

It's madness. She's obsessing now about all of the 'other' genders and sexual identities saying that she needs find something else 'in the flag' that she identifies with.

I think the adults really do need to step in and end this nonsense. Teachers and parents.

@YourVagesty

It makes me want to say 'Stop world, I want to get off' x

I think its all dreadful - what I particularly find offensive is that as soon as you question the whole issue you are labeled as phobic and shut down. I understand that some teachers feel they can't speak up against it and sympathise but it is the teachers who are openly pushing the agenda who infuriate me and there are a number. I think they are totally irresponsible and I am appalled by their behaviour pushing an agenda which is dangerous.

I understand what you're saying.

Tbh we've gone with a CofE school. It's religious enough to tread carefully with the gender woo, but not overly so.

Plus, we celebrate Xmas and Easter so I can't really complain about him learning about Jesus and the role he played in those celebrations.

Me. So I’m looking at a religious school for DD1. Gets good results and doesn’t seem to have been affected by the social contagion yet.

"I know someone who's put their kids in a strict religious school to avoid all of this despite not following the religion themselves. The family is very left wing but doesn't support gender ideology."

I can definitely understand the motivation there.

It's all an absolute joke. I kid you not, in one of the local schools nearby, there are THREE teens who identify as.... CATS. Seriously what is going on?? They have been protesting to get litter trays in the school bathroom, by defecating on the floor. It's disgusting. I don't understand how their parents are letting them away with it. I also don't understand why they are at school in the first place. If they truly want to identify as an animal, they don't need to be at school. My children aren't school age yet, but I am seriously considering home schooling if this carries on the way it is. I don't want my children subjected to any of this utter nonsense.

What the actual fuck @Kam610

That's insane.

I saw some video on reddit the other night of an American High schooler who claims to be a cat. I thought it was a piss take.

You know, if that is the next big trend than at least that might end the whole thing. I can't imagine many people supporting children transing into animals.

@Kam610 these kids are shitting on the floor at school?!

Fuck me.

We've not even finished one page of this thread yet and I'm like, 'yup, I'm definitely home educating'!

Or the local God-Squad school, one or the other.

I'm not exposing my son to this damaging madness. Where are the teachers in all this? What are they thinking?

The school my daughter was at was a church in wales school, so a religious school and still had to put up with this nonsense.

So going to a religious school won't necessarily escape it.

I have an autistic teen daughter in Scotland. She's massively impressionable. This is not the only reason but one of the reasons why I took her out of state school. I have two other neurotypical girls, one in state school but she has her head screwed on and will be okay. Thinking of sending my other DD elsewhere though because it's just so weird out there now.

This was me 3 years ago.

Put my DD13 (now) into a private all girls Catholic school. They aren't overly religious at all and actually teach all religions etc

I had a meeting with the head who gave gender ideology a resounding kick up the backside. It wasn't going to be taught there whilst she was breathing basically and ado girls have enough to deal with without confusing them with non scientific drivel and stereotypes.

Have the conversations with Heads is my advice.

"So going to a religious school won't necessarily escape it."

I suspect you are right, unless you send them to schools that revolve around their faith, like evangelical schools. But I don't want to send him to somewhere like that, that would be a step too far.

I think the only current way to ensure that they avoid the trans peer pressure is to take them out of the school system altogether. Insanity.

I'm just glad/lucky that he's a boy. The situation is way worse for girls I think.

I don’t have children but if I did there is no way I would expose them to this utter crap, I would do the same as you OP, take them out of the system that encourages this madness. I really feel for parents these days I don’t know how you all cope it must be incredibly worrying and stressful.

"I had a meeting with the head who gave gender ideology a resounding kick up the backside. It wasn't going to be taught there whilst she was breathing basically and ado girls have enough to deal with without confusing them with non scientific drivel and stereotypes."

Reading that was balm to my soul @jeaux90 Thank heavens for teachers who can still see the wood for the trees.

One of mine is home educated and considering the same for the second, not for these reasons but another push for me. It's definitely on my radar as a 'not for my kids' issue.

I wouldn't count of CofE schools offering any protection as Justin Welby has come out in support of it IN the school education.

My girls go to a girls school (primary). TBH its very ethnically diverse so I dont know how that would sit with other parents although they really fucked up with their 'puberty' talk and we have to get them to remove some content

I have kids in school and have been telling them since pre school that they are a boy and a girl (respectively) and they can be anything they want but can't change that. Can wear whatever they want too, love whoever they want, but still a girl or a boy.

I was PISSED OFF that I had to even mention it but over my dead body will they ever be confused about the material reality of their body.

I also have been telling them that other people don't always understand about girls and boys, but we don't correct them, we let them think what they want (to avoid primary kids getting into problems that are far too big for them).

It's worked so far (9&11). I think it's important to get in the before the school/environment does.

I'm also careful about internet use, but in a way that doesn't come across as strict.

I think that by home schooling you still can't avoid them interacting with other kids as they usually do clubs and things. The home schooling community can be very "alternative" in a performance way. Not all, but areas if it. So for me the best is to let the kids be exposed to it naturally, with their little heads full of reality that it just seems odd, or a shame, to them, but doesn't elicit huge reaction.

Although if I ever hear my kids being called transphobes like the PP's DD, then I'll be stepping right in too.

I know of a child sent home for misgendering a cat - aka a fellow primary school student. It's absolute fuckery. If I had kids, I'd be looking at home schooling.