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The effect of gender ideology on women's health, mental and physical

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pattihews · 26/01/2023 13:35

Lots of the women I meet say things that indicate their mental and physical health is suffering because of gender ideology.

I know two mothers whose children are caught up in the ideology and threatening to transition and they are both on medication for depression and anxiety. One of them is also facing a marital breakdown because her husband can't deal with the daughter and has moved out.

I know someone who was forced out of a job as a result of expressing her GC beliefs and while all the horror of being bullied by colleagues was going on, developed heart problems — which she is sure were caused by a year of constant stress.

I can think of three people who have left jobs — one academic, one social worker, one in publishing — who quit because they felt the stress they were under was making them ill. All of them were surrounded by woke colleagues who denounced them for transphobia. Two of them were lesbians and felt that there was homophobia involved. In two cases HR was panic-stricken and didn't support them. They are all women who had never previously had any issues with colleagues or management and all are traumatised by what's happened.

Has gender ideology and everything that has resulted from it caused you mental or physical ill health?

Is there anyone researching this? What is this madness costing the country? I keep reading about the fact that hundreds of thousands of people have left the workforce. It's blamed on Covid, but how many of those who've quit workplaces are people who left because of the stress of being impelled to express beliefs they don't own?

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aweegc · 26/01/2023 21:01

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  1. My mental health has wobbled upon realising that people close to me who know my lengthy sexual assault history would be happy to compel me to share intimate supposedly single sex spaces with a man who they've decided is safe because he's wearing tights (or leggings...). It has taken away the thin veil of safety I had build up through (supposedly) trusted people. To me it means they don't understand me at all because the idea that I'd be "silly" for not undressing in front of a male is deeply distressing. I feel these people intrinsically do not believe me. If they were strangers it would be different. These people say they love and care about me.
Delphinium20 · 26/01/2023 21:29

Wiccan · 26/01/2023 20:50

Its so horrid that you feel like that 😞 . I honestly feel like I'm being triggered . I have healed from so many things in my life but the last year or so I feel like it's all been triggered and its very raw . Anyone else feel like this trans ideology is opening up old wounds ?

Yes. It reminds me of times when I was encouraged to ignore reality for the benefit of others.

Boiledbeetle · 26/01/2023 21:31

75 000

The effect of gender ideology on women's health, mental and physical
The effect of gender ideology on women's health, mental and physical
Delphinium20 · 26/01/2023 21:32

Does this mean you're only 25K away from having it debated in Parliament? Is there a deadline? I'd sign but not a UK citizen.

cofeetablebook · 26/01/2023 21:33

Doesn't bother me at all.

Boiledbeetle · 26/01/2023 21:48

Delphinium20 · 26/01/2023 21:32

Does this mean you're only 25K away from having it debated in Parliament? Is there a deadline? I'd sign but not a UK citizen.

Yeah at 100 000 they are supposed to debate it. They can refuse to though.

But that's not going to look good right now.

Boiledbeetle · 26/01/2023 21:49

The deadline is April, but it needs to get there much sooner, whilst this is all still in the news and being discussed.

Boiledbeetle · 26/01/2023 21:57

@aweegc 💐jus there anyway you can maybe meet your mate and go to the pictures with her? At least that would learn the chat bit of the social occasion?

And plead tell me you got your mammogram, that bit cut off.

As for the third point. It d oes feel like people that you don't know and are talking about this are personally aiming it at you and denying your reality. You absolutely know bad men do bad things and to listen to someone who thinks from their privileged position they can tell you your experiences never happened. It traumatises the brain all over again.

TheirEminence · 26/01/2023 22:08

So fantastic to see the petition at 75K. It does seem as if things are really changing. This could be a dangerous time as all the mental anguish that we know well is now likely to be felt by the true believers. So many former foot soldiers doing reverse ferrets … Owen Jones and the Brits … Yvette Cooper and Anneliese Dodds suddenly not so supportive of TW prisoners … Steel yourselves.

Boiledbeetle · 26/01/2023 22:19

TheirEminence · 26/01/2023 22:08

So fantastic to see the petition at 75K. It does seem as if things are really changing. This could be a dangerous time as all the mental anguish that we know well is now likely to be felt by the true believers. So many former foot soldiers doing reverse ferrets … Owen Jones and the Brits … Yvette Cooper and Anneliese Dodds suddenly not so supportive of TW prisoners … Steel yourselves.

The actual reality when you are forced to suddenly look must be a bit of a head fuck for those in complete denial.

TheirEminence · 26/01/2023 22:27

Yeah it must. Almost feel sorry for them. How does it feel to look like a gullible, credulous, dim-witted, obsequious, mean-spirited, incurious cretin? (Directed at no one in particular, so I hope this is still ‘in the spirit’.)

Baldieheid · 26/01/2023 23:37

Mental health impacts...let's see.

I grew up in the 80s, and was led to believe that my world was way better than my mother's. I "could do anything" - then I learned that this just meant I "would do everything", be paid less than my male colleague and still do most of the wife work at home because my boyfriend was tired. Then along came men who said they were better women than me. Then there was the 20 year old woman who pitying told me I was a dinosaur for wanting my own rights, and that it was okay, my kind would be dead soon enough. The politicians who told me my concerns were not valid. The gym that told me I shouldn't bother coming back if I was going to upset the men in my female changing room. Then the Scottish Gov told me in December that they could not give less of a shit about me, about my safety, about my privacy, about my dignity or about my rights.

Yeah, I'd say this ideology has done a right number on my mental health.

Boiledbeetle · 26/01/2023 23:49

TheirEminence · 26/01/2023 22:27

Yeah it must. Almost feel sorry for them. How does it feel to look like a gullible, credulous, dim-witted, obsequious, mean-spirited, incurious cretin? (Directed at no one in particular, so I hope this is still ‘in the spirit’.)

😁

FrancescaContini · 27/01/2023 01:36

TheirEminence · 26/01/2023 22:27

Yeah it must. Almost feel sorry for them. How does it feel to look like a gullible, credulous, dim-witted, obsequious, mean-spirited, incurious cretin? (Directed at no one in particular, so I hope this is still ‘in the spirit’.)

I wonder this too, particularly about people I had always assumed were pretty intelligent. It’s the lack of critical thinking that especially blows my mind. It’s gutting, actually.

TheirEminence · 27/01/2023 07:12

Oh, I know quite a few ‘intelligent’ people, degrees from elite universities (Oxbridge, top US colleges) who have spouted TWAW for years on social media. As soon as a news story breaks that should make them think, there is only silence.

I know they know I know, so I just smirk at them when our paths cross. Hahaha.

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 27/01/2023 10:10

TheirEminence · 26/01/2023 22:27

Yeah it must. Almost feel sorry for them. How does it feel to look like a gullible, credulous, dim-witted, obsequious, mean-spirited, incurious cretin? (Directed at no one in particular, so I hope this is still ‘in the spirit’.)

Amen.

SpringtimeCherries · 27/01/2023 13:38

TheirEminence · 27/01/2023 07:12

Oh, I know quite a few ‘intelligent’ people, degrees from elite universities (Oxbridge, top US colleges) who have spouted TWAW for years on social media. As soon as a news story breaks that should make them think, there is only silence.

I know they know I know, so I just smirk at them when our paths cross. Hahaha.

Unfortunately yes I work with lots of extremely intelligent people, mostly young women, scientists and academics. It’s been completely sold on the full TWAW philosophy.

FluffyHamster · 27/01/2023 14:08

I think a lot of young women are suffering in silence over this and internalising it as 'their problem' to deal with. I had a very interesting chat with adult DS's girlfriend when she came to stay over Christmas. She & DS are students in an area of humanities which is rife with gender ideology being applied to everything. They are both bright, critical thinking individuals and have privately admitted that they think a lot of what they see is nonsensical and even dangerous, but in order to succeed in their sphere they have to keep their heads down and play along/ keep quiet. They haven't quite got the strength and resiliance to stand up to it all yet in their peer group.
I could see that her mind was in turmoil over it all and she had experienced some particularly difficult situations with trans friends that had made her uncomfortable.
It was honestly so painful to see 😥

Gcfemale · 27/01/2023 14:21

@Baldieheid you forgot also in the interests of equality (yeah right because having children doesn't affect women's career/earnings at all does it) the additional 5+ years that women of our generation have to work to get state pension. This is a tough one as I agree in principle about us having same pension age, but only when the other bits are equal, but you know, we do have it all 🙄

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 14:28

@Gcfemale

I was just checking and your comment is still reading as hidden.

However a certain other posters earlier post has now been deleted.

Seriously when a poster tells me if i don't like their post to report it I do exactly that.

Gcfemale · 27/01/2023 14:46

@Boiledbeetle yes I think my post has been consigned to the eternal wilderness of 'unseen'

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 18:02

Gcfemale · 27/01/2023 14:46

@Boiledbeetle yes I think my post has been consigned to the eternal wilderness of 'unseen'

It may reappear around September.

agent765 · 31/01/2023 19:17

Baldieheid · 26/01/2023 23:37

Mental health impacts...let's see.

I grew up in the 80s, and was led to believe that my world was way better than my mother's. I "could do anything" - then I learned that this just meant I "would do everything", be paid less than my male colleague and still do most of the wife work at home because my boyfriend was tired. Then along came men who said they were better women than me. Then there was the 20 year old woman who pitying told me I was a dinosaur for wanting my own rights, and that it was okay, my kind would be dead soon enough. The politicians who told me my concerns were not valid. The gym that told me I shouldn't bother coming back if I was going to upset the men in my female changing room. Then the Scottish Gov told me in December that they could not give less of a shit about me, about my safety, about my privacy, about my dignity or about my rights.

Yeah, I'd say this ideology has done a right number on my mental health.

This ^

I suffered emotional, physical and sexual abuse from age 12. I have always considered myself strong so fought back and then volunteered at my local refuge for a few years.

I've had a bit of a troubled life and now find myself disabled and finding it quite difficult physically.

However, nothing, NOTHING compares to the stress of the fear of being confronted by TW for my medical appointments. Or being trapped in a ward with a man.

I use disabled toilets on the rare occasions I go out but still remember being frozen with fear the first time I ran into a man using women's toilets. I also react physically at the thought of the man in a kilt (way before even cross-dressing in public was 'acceptable') flashing a pre-teen me in Woolworth's). He wasn't the last by a long chalk.

I'm aware I bring a lot of stress on myself but this abuse of women's rights is so real to me. It's making my physical health worse.

I never thought we'd be going backwards from the 90s but here we are.

Baldieheid · 01/02/2023 09:51

@agent765

Sending you hugs.

The worst thing is that women are telling the world all of this, and nobody gives a shit. Nobody deems it important.

I'm sick of the whole lot of them right no and I honestly am ready to go to war. Bugger this asking for our rights back. No. I'm demanding them.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 02/02/2023 14:08

@agent765 I find your comment very relatable /hugs

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