The effect of gender ideology on women's health, mental and physical

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Lots of the women I meet say things that indicate their mental and physical health is suffering because of gender ideology.

I know two mothers whose children are caught up in the ideology and threatening to transition and they are both on medication for depression and anxiety. One of them is also facing a marital breakdown because her husband can't deal with the daughter and has moved out.

I know someone who was forced out of a job as a result of expressing her GC beliefs and while all the horror of being bullied by colleagues was going on, developed heart problems — which she is sure were caused by a year of constant stress.

I can think of three people who have left jobs — one academic, one social worker, one in publishing — who quit because they felt the stress they were under was making them ill. All of them were surrounded by woke colleagues who denounced them for transphobia. Two of them were lesbians and felt that there was homophobia involved. In two cases HR was panic-stricken and didn't support them. They are all women who had never previously had any issues with colleagues or management and all are traumatised by what's happened.

Has gender ideology and everything that has resulted from it caused you mental or physical ill health?

Is there anyone researching this? What is this madness costing the country? I keep reading about the fact that hundreds of thousands of people have left the workforce. It's blamed on Covid, but how many of those who've quit workplaces are people who left because of the stress of being impelled to express beliefs they don't own?

I'm of the mind you don't take kids to mass rallies in countries w/ large numbers of guns or where police can't be counted on to be on your side. I live in a large American city, and you need to be smart about violence here. I'd advise caution in attending a women's event in a place where there's been no police presence or metal detectors or easy escape routes. I've attended plenty of protests and only brought my child when they were around 12 and old enough to run fast if I went down.

Holding signs at sporting events or government buildings - likely a much safer option.

Now, to speak from the other side of my mouth, when I consider the risks the Iranian women are taking, it will get a lot worse if we stay silent.

You are asked politely on one thread to stop using cis. You are asked in this thread to stop using this. By MANY posters.

You choose to assume we started the attack when you actually did and come back with a post littered with cis.

You want a conversation with us then it would help if you stopped insulting us in every post.

I recent that you lay this at the door of people / women who did nothing who caused it .

No, I haven't said they caused it. I've said the fact that they have done nothing has enabled it to get a grip. Have any of the 'too scared of violence' people made an appointment to meet their MP face to face in the safety of the constituency office in order to tell their representative how they feel about all this? I'm betting not. Then go and book an appointment now (constituency surgeries are usually on Fridays or at weekends), you might even get something this weekend.

I'm sick of women who buy a suffragette scarf and then think they've done their bit for the struggle.

It's a simple slip up, there is no malice intended, I hear that it is considered as an offensive term and I do try to omit its use on this website.

And if this was true @CandlelightGlow your response to me wouldn't have been go away it would have been shit sorry my bad.

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It definitely would have, because I can sense a personal attack and I genuinely do not want to engage with you, in any capacity.

To be fair to Candle, the young people have been inundated w/ gender speech since elementary school. It's become their parlance. Even when they know the emperor has no clothing, it's hard to shake the genderspeak.

(I remember finding myself using corporate speak when my kids were toddlers - "I know naps are your pain point. Let's table this for now. We'll circle back after snacktime.")

All i did was remind you not to use it. I'm not the one who has the attitude problem here

In just two decades, GenX will be the only ones alive who remember how the world was before this insanity took over, but I fear our small numbers hinder attempts to help younger people understand how to civilly debate, be curious about differences and have a liberal approach to solving problems.

It gives me rage, I don't know if that counts as impacting my mental health though. I also already had a heart condition brought on by long term stress, and experience quite bad depression, so I can't blame this on the trans issues alone.

However, I am furious that I am left wing and the Labour party has been almost universally infected by the TWAW virus, as well as the Green Party leaving me o no one to vote for. I will have to go 'None of the above' as I cannot vote Tory.

I also belonged to a profession that prided itself on inclusivity, and anti discriminatory practice. I now have to re-evaluate my identity and values after finding that I care more about women's safety than men who are pretending to be women hurt feelings. I don't think I could return to that work again due to the eithics and values that would mean I would have to be trans inclusive.

I also fear that the world is fast becoming a yet more dangerous place to be a woman.

All of this is having an impact on my mental health I am sure.

@Probablymagrat I'm like you, have existing health issues and I do notice the effect some of this has on my mental health which then in turns shows up as physical health issues.

The thought of what the Labour Party has become is one of my biggest head fucks in this. I can sort of understand them going the trans route to start but once they realised it was not based in reality why stick with it? Why not listen to your women mps and party members and get back to reality.

I have actually screamed out loud at how Fucking useless Labour are!

Went to write loud above, my tablet now autocorrects it to Lloyd!!!!

Gen Xer here as well. We had it good for a while in the 90s, eh?

The internet has certainly done a number on the generations after us - and led to some pretty illiberal views thanks to online bubbles and social contagion. I don't know how we bring people back to a place where they can tolerate a diversity of views, but it needs to happen.

During a meeting at work I was asked to justify why I didn’t want a man in the women’s toilets. My colleagues, people I thought respected me, watched in silence as I was asked by a trainer if I would discriminate against “other minorities”. I had to have a short time off work because I thought I couldn’t breathe or sleep or stop crying.

I bottle up my rage with two of my grown up children because I can’t bear the idea of them being so bloody ignorant.

Sometimes I can’t sleep because of my rage about this issue and I lie in the dark feeling useless and impotent.

The last year has hardened me though and JKR’s stance has brought comfort too. I admire Maya, Keira and Graham Linehan and all those other brave people. And at times, DH (and Mumsnet ) kept me sane because being GC has caused me such stress and fury.

All of this has aged me I think. I no longer feel that people are able to think for themselves and I feel contempt for most of the population that steadfastly refused to listen. I used to trust people but now I’m far more bitter and angry.

Good thread OP. Just writing that has made me realise how damaged we have all been by this bullying.

Unfortunately Delph, the decapitate Terfs sign used up my last fuck!

Candle has been told on more than one thread by more than one poster. She's the one who wants a conversation with us. Yet seems to takes ever correction or reminder to her words as a personal attack. words

When I reminded candle in this thread she told me to go away. When I reminded her on the last thread she said she was comfortable using the word and would continue to do what she wanted.

We don't get any chances with the TRAs one misgendering from us and we deserve to be decapitated. I'm not standing for faux bullshit innocence anymore.

Grown up world requires grown up thinking. I'm not their parent.

💔You deserve those places and what you describe is a very real experience for so many women. I'm so sorry. We are being forced into survival mode 24/7 and it's messing with our health. Absolutely.

That's dreadful Peppermintaero How bloody dare they.

One skill so many trainers in this ideology seem to have is advanced bullying skills. It's the only way to enforce such an incoherent and anti women ideology - bully and shame the fuck out of attendees so they'll do my bidding.

I don't know how old he is, but kicking the little shit out and letting him go and live with his father/other family members would be completely understandable here!

I'm to ill to leave the house most of the time, but if i wasn't, Im not scared of the violence exactly just that I no longer have the power to punch their lights out if needed.

So I do my bit from here.

My MPs a full on member of the Alphabet 🌂 so.....?

But he gets frequent emails from me.

Also some people might only be able to contribute by buying a scarf. That might be all they can afford to do from a money point of view from a job point of view from a family harmony point of view.

We all do our bit, big or small. All those bits make up the whole. We are stronger together.

Fair enough. I wasn't aware of past convos.

I drip-fed oldest DD GC views for years and my patience finally paid off when she peaked just before going off into the world, so I've had success in that approach. I've been trying to be understanding for young people who aren't there yet. But to hear your point, we don't know who's who online, do we?

@Peppermintaero

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I’m scared to speak up about this at work. Where HR talk about needing to ask about peoples gender identity. I’m so angry about all of it and can’t wait to leave the workplace.

Good news on your daughter. I have a friends daughter who gets sent to me every now and again and I work on her, not that it needs much she's very but that means boys in my toilets, just no! So it's not to hard.

There's another young poster on a thread, yet totally different approach. She got she wasnt to sure of things or the correct posting etiquette and is willing to learn how to get the best out of the threads.

Some posters just like a row or to feel righteous.

@Peppermintaero that's company sanctioned bullying right there. I'm sorry you had to experience that.💐

My work bully is an EDI lead. I now assume the people attracted to the gift that is EDI are fundamentally racist, sexist and homophobic Aunt Lydia types - or incredibly dense and easily led. Possibly all of the above.

can i have a guess as to why, can i? Can i?

That will be because they are either in the main men, or have been taught the training material by men.

Honestly i don't get this. His bags would be packed and outside the second time he tried having a go.

God I hate how it hides the original comment when posting a comment on a comment on a comment!