The effect of gender ideology on women's health, mental and physical

[pattihews]

Lots of the women I meet say things that indicate their mental and physical health is suffering because of gender ideology.

I know two mothers whose children are caught up in the ideology and threatening to transition and they are both on medication for depression and anxiety. One of them is also facing a marital breakdown because her husband can't deal with the daughter and has moved out.

I know someone who was forced out of a job as a result of expressing her GC beliefs and while all the horror of being bullied by colleagues was going on, developed heart problems — which she is sure were caused by a year of constant stress.

I can think of three people who have left jobs — one academic, one social worker, one in publishing — who quit because they felt the stress they were under was making them ill. All of them were surrounded by woke colleagues who denounced them for transphobia. Two of them were lesbians and felt that there was homophobia involved. In two cases HR was panic-stricken and didn't support them. They are all women who had never previously had any issues with colleagues or management and all are traumatised by what's happened.

Has gender ideology and everything that has resulted from it caused you mental or physical ill health?

Is there anyone researching this? What is this madness costing the country? I keep reading about the fact that hundreds of thousands of people have left the workforce. It's blamed on Covid, but how many of those who've quit workplaces are people who left because of the stress of being impelled to express beliefs they don't own?

I would if I knew which bit was objectionable...although it was pretty long.

Anyone else got a pop up for a cleaning company, featuring lovely happy cleaners who look as if they wouldn't know a rant if it bit them on the arse, after @Boiledbeetle divulged her domestic arrangements?

I agree 100%. I was deleted and cannot be bothered to repost but in a nutshell yes politicians of all parties have let us all down badly by going along with 'gender identity ideology' even though it has no scientific basis whatsoever.
I should not have had to pay to crowd funders to get the Law correctly interpreted. That was the job of politicians and Government Departments.

So many PPs have expressed it brilliantly. Living with the acceptance of a lie, with moral cowardice among the majority of those who govern us or aim to, with state-sanctioned mutilation and sterilisation, and with the demonisation of women who stand up for safeguarding and against compelled participation in mens’ fetishes has created a cloud that hovers over me all the time.

It feels like grief. Even on the most perfect day, I am aware of it because I have to watch my speech around my 20-something DS and my colleagues (in education) and I can’t comment on anything gender-related because, unlike any other topic in our lives, it feels like it could be death to some of my relationships. And it has heightened my awareness of misogyny to the extent I feel fearful for my DD in a way I never did before I saw TRAs at work and authority kneeling before them.

It's saying hidden rather than deleted, so maybe it's on the fence?

Im just getting a blank where the advert is supposed to be.

In Robs thread the other day I kept getting adverts for adoption and ivf, bet he was pleased!

@Boiledbeetle yes maybe but I can't be bothered to post again...oh the irony that I said how much I appreciated Mumsnet for me to be able to put my thoughts down as I cannot do it elsewhere. I also had a name change fail 😂 but I change names all the time and that one was quite new.

Me too. My contributions can only be financial really and the odd email to MPs etc. I have noticed in press photos that a lot of the TRA supporters are 'bio' women who 'should know better.'

@Gcfemale yeah i didn't want to highlight it. Fingers crossed it might reappear.

This has been a really helpful thread, all.
Good luck with starting a group @pattihews .

It was probably me who said the dreaded 3 letter word as I genuinely wanted to know the origin at the time.
The reason being that I was starting to unpick my training from what I am now gathering was a Stonewall based training that lasted an afternoon, ostensibly to 'support' a colleague who was trans-ing.
I took on board this training without discernment as I was recently bereaved and soaked it up, hook, line and sinker.

Now I feel pretty cross with the organisation that invited this trainer in and kind of wish I could read the material again with the benefit of hindsight and delete all that I no longer need to know.
I feel manipulated and was probably more so than most as I am an inherently kind person .
However, don't mistake kindness for weakness, as one of my neighbours says.....

I recently attended the Let Women Speak rally in Newcastle with an older friend. Initially we were in a little frightened huddle with a suffragette scarf wearing academic man from Edinburgh, who had bought it when a scarf wearing woman was ejected from the public gallery without grounds.

Then I got annoyed....Why should I be fearful in my own home town at a free speech event? I decided to get in the front row and give my full attention to the speakers, who were brilliant and brave.

I'm still trying to get a handle on what we are individually and collectively going through. Sometimes I think of what Damon Albarn wrote when he visited North Korea, that it was like everyone was under a spell.

Like a previous poster, I'm reading a lot of these threads on Mumsnet, signing petitions and talking to people I can talk to, going in slowly, figuring where they are at with this. Doing what I can, where I can.

I'm probably late to my re education and contribution as I've been busy doing survival through these strange times : we all have varying social and economic circumstances...

Clarissa Pinkola Estes wrote in Women who run with the Wolves that every so many years we have to fight tooth and nail again for rights that we had previously taken for granted. So here we are.

Very grateful to Mumsnet and all the posters on these threads.

I’m lucky enough to work for a company where you can talk freely about this issue, we were talking about the Scottish mess just today. However, our clients are a different story…lots of captured people, usually immediately identified by the pronouns in the email.

i was however doing a thought experiment the other day, imagining you could just explore any idea on any topic, say your wildest thoughts, in a grown up and exploratory way, in an environment where you aren’t judged for a thought - it’s just that, a thought, not an action or an intention, just a thought, because after all we all think all sorts of things all the time! I realised pretty quickly there are only two people in the world I can do this with, we can literally say anything and it’s fine, it’s just chat, just brain emptying, the 1990s style proper brainstorm (I don’t think many places can endure a true brainstorm anymore!)

Anyway, it made me sad that everyone is watching their speech to such an extent these days. Sad.

I just keep getting this advert. Ironically, I've been deleted a few times for sharing my opinion recently so mumsnet are obviously not that interested in it!

I feel extremely stressed by what is happening-when I heard children in America were being given cross sex hormones and undergoing medically unnecessary surgeries I was horrified. When I learnt males were in womens prisons I was shocked to the core-that our politicians KNOW and yet do nothing to protect children in schools from Stonewalls tentacles is abhorrent. I have also seen my husband in a different light as I find this all consuming, whereas he's not that affected by it. Our daughter could have been swept up in this yet he doesn't see that. Gender Ideology has literally taken over my life for the last 5 years-my friends think I'm slightly loopy but I know how dangerous it is. When I think of what women could have achieved if they weren't spending time fighting Gender Ideology its mind boggling....

I think you were unfortunate to get the training at a time when you were even more vulnerable to the message than just the normal kindness guy possess. I don't imagine thou felt particularly kind when you found out you had been duped.

It honestly feels like I'm watching a long con play out. Then I remind myself that's because I am!The

I'm glad you've found yourself and an a bit of something extra with your new vigour and rage!

If nothing else I find the rage triggers hot 🔥 flushes, which saves on the heating bill at least!

When I think of what women could have achieved if they weren't spending time fighting Gender Ideology its mind boggling....

THIS! in the 90s, i thought by now we'd be working on global education for girls and climate protection.

Time for a break

Queen I'm Going Slightly Mad

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Od6hY_50Dh0

When the outside temperature rises
And the meaning is, oh, so clear
One thousand and one yellow daffodils
Begin to dance in front of you, oh, dear
Are they trying to tell you something?
You're missing that one final screw
You're simply not in the pink, my dear
To be honest, you haven't got a clue
I'm going slightly mad
I'm going slightly mad
It finally happened, happened
It finally happened, whoa, whoa
It finally happened, I'm slightly mad
Oh, dear
I'm one card short of a full deck
I'm not quite the shilling
One wave short of a shipwreck
I'm not my usual top billing
I'm coming down with a fever
I'm really out to sea
This kettle is boiling over
I think I'm a banana tree
Oh, dear
I'm going slightly mad
I'm going slightly mad
It finally happened, happened
It finally happened, uh-huh
Finally happened, I'm slightly mad
Oh, dear
I'm knitting with only one needle
Unraveling fast, it's true
I'm driving only three wheels these days
But, my dear, how about you?
(Ah, ah)
I'm going slightly mad
I'm going slightly mad
It finally happened
It finally happened, oh yes
It finally happened, I'm slightly mad
Just very slightly mad
And there you have it, there you have it

@CandlelightGlow
I hear that you're trying to be balanced but you're in the wrong place, this is an echo chamber and nuanced views are shut down with a vehemence that you have experienced in all its glory. I find many of the contributors to be uncomfortable bedfellows for my concerns.

And having just watched the video I posted

But yeah we're the bigots who haven't got a clue about genders and men wearing make-up and blurring the boundaries of gender and sexuality!blurring

OK.

Nuanced views are welcome. The use of a three letter word in front of the word woman isn't.

That was the only issue we had with Candle, until Candle got a bit defensive instead of just saying, after multiple posters mentioned it, on yeah force of habit, sorry.

Every time people talk about gender ideology in a proselytising way, I get symptoms of stress and anxiety because I know I am being gaslit, and could be punished if people found out my views. It's torture, frankly, and the misogynists behind it are loving it.

Thank you, I appreciate your input and I agree 🌸

Its so horrid that you feel like that 😞 . I honestly feel like I'm being triggered . I have healed from so many things in my life but the last year or so I feel like it's all been triggered and its very raw . Anyone else feel like this trans ideology is opening up old wounds ?

I think this country has turned a corner today.

The impact on me has been less than things like being abused by my child(ren) or loosing my job. But it has impacted me.

1 A close, formerly GC friend whose daughter became her son within a matter of months. I am coming out id an emotionally abusive relationship and the amount if gaslighting that goes on when I meet her for coffee sets me back. It takes me about 36 hours to click back into reality rather than being adrift in the world because my reality has been denied to my fact, repeatedly.

2 I was waiting for a mammogram (not routine) and suddenly realised I didn't know if he was a women of a man dressed as one. I felt sick then decided not to have