Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 2.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

*bitchery, no death threat intended, not even subconsciously...I hope

But you have to return to read my play in Robin's thread before you turn in.

Your witch number two

I've just commented elsethread on what a friend said on a different board about 20 years ago about the Daily Mail having two quite different approaches - the news coverage, right wing hard Conservative. The - what would you call them - 'everyday life pages' - much more soft feminist, affirming women having a right to be interested in the things in their lives.

It strikes me that the Guardian does that in reverse. News coverage is leftish, but woe betide women. Which reminds me of my parents, lefties, Guardian readers since the 50s, being so dismayed at the pro-Army, anti civil rights stance the G took on Northern Ireland in the early 70s that they started taking the (pre Murdoch) Times instead. Assuming one new outlet is 'good' and another 'bad' on all issues is naive.

tldr: Hitler was a vegetarian

The Daily Mail is doing a lot better now it really doesn't have to make stuff up or super spin stuff to outrage people.

It can both do what it wants AND be useful and productive.

The Daily Mail's primary problem was always how it clearly was doing everything it could to whip up some sort of outrage, at the expense of being a newspaper - not really informing people.

Now it's the Guardian doing the opposite from the other end - trying to hide any cause of the wrong sort of outrage. Guardian is currently worse for misinforming people than the DM, as far as I can tell.

Guardian is currently worse for misinforming people than the DM

The Wi-Spa story was the final straw for me. They mis-reported it. It's fine to have a diversity of viewpoints which the Guardian was always famous for allowing. But to skew the news because it doesn't fit the agenda of the paper was going waaaay too far. It can no longer be regarded as a paper of record.

Interesting thread on why people moved from LibFem to RadFem (MN gets a few namechecks) twitter.com/radphoenixx/status/1618867281374879744?

I don't think there are many here who the Guardian as some unalloyed purveyor of truth; I certainly don't. Their editorial line on This Issue is massively disappointing, verging on the downright dishonest, and we've all read about Hadley Freeman and Suzanne Moore. I reserve the right to cordially hate the anti-immigrant, racist, pro-Brexit Mail, though. Even whilst admitting they are right on this issue.

I read the Telegraph as well as the Guardian because I like to get a spread of viewpoints (I look at the NYT and the Washington Post as well). The Torygraph has much better journalism than readers - the comments are often poisonous - but on this issue I think they've got it more right than the Guardian.

The journalists I mean.

The Women's Equality Party got a mention in that phoenix thread and I wondered what they had to say about Adam Graham. On Twitter, the Women's Equality Party had nothing to say about the most important news of this week.

If anyone has five minutes can they go add their thoughts to a thread that's escaped out into the wild in AIBU

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4729470-beauty-students-asked-to-strip-in-front-of-trans-rapist-at-college-after-sex-attacks?page=1

There was a time when I'd read a story in both the guardian and the Mail and figure the truth was probably somewhere in the middle, more edging guards the Guardian.

Now I find it so hard to believe anything from the Guardian and am finding the Mail to be more or less on the money.

I'm horrified!

Having read the beauty students thread, I'm puzzled at how the name changes seem to make people's pasts disappear. In Ireland we all have unique personal public service (PPS) numbers that go on everything - tax records, bank accounts, vaccination certificates and other medical records, employment records, applications for police vetting - no way of hiding. Is there no UK wide equivalent?

Because the trans Rights Activists designed the system from the beginning fur them to be be able to disappear into a black hole

You become a woman you change everything.

The only way to connect to the old male you is if you reveal your old name etc in checks that are made.

I don't know about our national insurance number wether that changes. But everything else does

That is deranged.

I recall a discussion on a thread here years ago about National Insurance numbers and why couldn't they be used to track an individual notwithstanding name changes. Somebody came on and explained why not. I think it was because, surprisingly, NI numbers aren't unique or get re-cycled. I can't quite remember. Maybe someone can confirm or clarify.

I'm presuming when you change your sex marker on medical records your nhs number (separate to your N I no.) Must change as well?

And also IIRC NHS numbers - you have to be issued with a new one as male and female ones begin with different digits. Not sure if I believe that, but it's easily mad enough for NHS IT systems.

I know I've read something about nhs numbers recently but I can't be arsed to go searching!

You definitely get a new NHS number. Don't know about NI numbers but they only have limited uses and certainly can't be used as a general ID system. Passport number changes every time you renew your passport.

And the new Scottish Bill specifically rejected an amendment to make post-GRC criminal record checks automatically cover previous identities, and instead went for a complex system that is delberately not joined up and relies on any criminal being perfectly honest.

I've checked the Irish situation. The PPS number is used to ensure relevant data is updated to record the new gender, and

The effect of the legal recognition is not retrospective. All rights, responsibilities and consequences of actions by you prior to the date of recognition of your preferred gender remain unaffected.

I'm still not happy about self Id but it seems slightly more thought through.

According to the gov.uk website, your NI number "never changes". I suppose they must get recycled, presumably when people die, but I was under the impression they were unique.

So the one thing that has nothing to signify anything and only is any use for payroll and benefit payments. That stays the same!!

FFS

Just come across this. Disturbing.

Steam is now selling a game made by a pro-transgender developer where you kill women, who are referred to as “TERFs”.

twitter.com/stillgray/status/1619123409962803200

reduxx.info/transgender-programmer-designs-game-about-slaughtering-women-critical-of-gender-ideology/