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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transition should lead to rapist's acquittal

97 replies

ArabellaScott · 24/01/2023 12:19

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11667731/Transgender-rapist-accused-attacking-women-transitioning-vulnerable-court-hears.html

According to this KC.

'[Edward Targowski KC] spoke about Bryson's gender, saying: 'She is transitioning from male to female gender.

'If you accept that evidence, that she is transitioning, that she is aiming to continue on that path to becoming female gender, that goes a long way to acquitting her of these charges.'

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Aaron95 · 24/01/2023 13:10

That headline needs some additional information.

Transition should lead to rapist's acquittal SAYS THE DEFENCE LAWYER!!!

You would hardly expect a defence lawyer to say anything else would you? Their job is to get the person acquitted. That doesn't mean it will happen.

JacquelinePot · 24/01/2023 13:13

'If you accept that evidence, that she is transitioning, that she is aiming to continue on that path to becoming female gender, that goes a long way to acquitting her of these charges.'

I don't accept that "evidence". What now?

Beefcurtains79 · 24/01/2023 13:14

Found guilty according to Daily Star on Twitter! Fingers crossed it’s true, Nicola -and her cronies will be gutted.

IdidntshagHarry · 24/01/2023 13:14

This
"MingeofDeath · Today 12:30
Being transgender is always a good get out of jail card, ALWAYS."

Any crime convicted will be by a woman and on a woman if assault etc. So wrong.

Biological sex should be used for crimes not chosen genders. Sex cannot be changed. Gender might be fluid but sex is not, you don't dig up a corpse and say it's x y or z it's either male or female and it' the same as you are born with.

mrshoho · 24/01/2023 13:19

Already eying up the female prison to serve his time no doubt. Amazing the amount of gender dysphoric indivuals who have these violent personalities that are so far removed from the gender they now identify as. We're told how small the numbers of transgender individuals are but there's a long growing list of violent criminals within this group.

HereComesMaleficent · 24/01/2023 13:19

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/01/2023 13:05

I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with ... P!

Person soon to be a Prisoner?
Prolific Offender?
Perpetrator of Sexual Harm

Because you know I wouldn't want to make the conversation about "what's in their pants"....

😏

donquixotedelamancha · 24/01/2023 13:19

Since the defence have claimed that being trans makes this man less likely to be a rapist I really hope the prosecution call an expert witness to refute that.

The overwhelming evidence is that those with extreme gender confusion (I'm using the broad term because I'm not convinced being a cross dresser makes you trans) commit sexual offences at a much higher rates.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 24/01/2023 13:19

Clydebank post reporting GUILTY verdict.

Next stop, a women's prison.
And an appeal?

IdidntshagHarry · 24/01/2023 13:23

Thank god he was found guilty. Now keep him away from women. He is very dangerous. That dangly be he was born with rapes women.

IdidntshagHarry · 24/01/2023 13:24

Yep.

"atAgainItsLettuceTime · Today 12:34
So the reasons that men are not punished for raping women will grow, not just:
she was drunk
she was wearing a short skirt/low cut top
she was coming on to me, when she changed her mind I thought it was a flirting tactic
Now they want to add
I was confused about my identity and thought raping a woman might help. I was vulnerable dammit!
I'm turning myself into a woman, women can't rape, so logically I can't have raped her because I'm a woman.
Just going to go and beat my head against a brick wall."

It's disgusting that men and some women allow this sort of crap. Thank god some women are standing up for women and fighting back against this assault against women.

Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 13:25

This person?

Yeah no threat. Looks as harmless as a lamb.nothing about this woman indicates to me "she" could possibly be a threat to women in regards to rape.

I'd say nothing to see here. But you can't help see it "Isla" had chosen extra special clothes to ensure we can all still see that they could still rape you.

Transition should lead to rapist's acquittal
ReunitedThorns · 24/01/2023 13:27

That photo...

Do wonder whether the choice of clothing was on purpose to show the offending weapon.

HereComesMaleficent · 24/01/2023 13:27

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 24/01/2023 13:19

Clydebank post reporting GUILTY verdict.

Next stop, a women's prison.
And an appeal?

I've worked in a female prison. Isla would have a nicer time on the VP wing of a male prison.

Femal prisons are in my opinion more vicious than males.

Far more psychologically damaging than the men's because of the bullying and how it's done, the fights seem to inflict more damage as earrings are ripped out, eyes are gouged, hair is ripped out in chunks.

I've always said rather take a punch and a kicking from a male prisoner, than a toe to toe fight with a female prisoner.

Riverlee · 24/01/2023 13:27

Two women were attacked! They’re the victims here, not the attacker. He may have been vulnerable, but that doesn’t excuse attacking two women.

IdidntshagHarry · 24/01/2023 13:28

Interesting how he turns up to court in a tight pair of trousers to clearly show off his weapon of rape. Clear to see what he used the poor vulnerable chap is playing the 'I'm a woman and mixed up victim card' .... disgusting. Bang him up and away from women. He is dangerous and still has the weapon of his choice attached to his body.

RoyalCorgi · 24/01/2023 13:28

I think the KC is arguing that he was in a vulnerable state of mind, as evidenced by the transition.

This is a really common - and often successful - defence used in cases where a trans woman has been accused of a violent or sexual offence. Either Glinner or Reduxx had a long list of examples - unfortunately I can't find it now but I will keep looking.

Datun · 24/01/2023 13:31

You would expect a solicitor to make up any old bollocks if they thought it could get their client off.

But I'm assuming that defence of vulnerability due to transitioning is going to be wearing pretty thin the more it is trotted out.

What will be slower to catch up, is whether or not this rapist goes to a female prison, and whether or not the statistics are included under female crime.

Plus more journalists reporting the realities of autogynephilia can't come too soon. Along with the statistics that these men present more of the threat the men who are not identifying as women.

And yes to the Daily Mail up to their usual shenanigans with the photo 😄

Intrepidescape · 24/01/2023 13:33

Someone deciding they are Martha instead of Authur is not evidence to acquit in a Court of law. It would be like saying:

”if you accept the evidence that the accused purchased a cat, and is choosing to go about life with that cat, then that goes a long way to acquit the accused of these charges”

There was a recent case in America (somewhere in LA) where a guy stole a car and deliberately ran over a mother pushing her baby in a pram. The judge sentenced the guy to a summer camp program. A year later someone executed him in the street. Everyone accepted it was retaliation. Even the victim came out and blamed the judge that this man was gunned down because the judge failed to do his job. What will happen is Courts will let out these criminals and there will be a rise in vigilantism.

nilsmousehammer · 24/01/2023 13:33

If a necessary and understandable part of a man's transition is to rape women - ?

Then isn't there something very seriously wrong with transition?

And why have so many men managed to transition without injuring and violating a woman in the process? Did they not do it properly?

Rape is not something a man does by accident, it is not justified because of his feelings, any more than someone who murders his family was a 'good man' who had a bit of a blip one day. A man who makes the decision to forcibly assault, violate and injure a woman, with the life wrecking consequences of rape, did it because they felt entitled and they could. As Bancroft says: they never just lose it and hit or rape their boss at work, or the person at the till in the supermarket, or the bloke at the next desk. There is control. There is choice. There should be consequences.

Unless at this point we're all decided that women are just props in men's sex lives.

GetOffMyDoorJack · 24/01/2023 13:41

Transitioning is the new "rough sex gone wrong" 😡

SinnerBoy · 24/01/2023 13:44

donquixotedelamancha · Today 13:19

Since the defence have claimed that being trans makes this man less likely to be a rapist I really hope the prosecution call an expert witness to refute that.

Fortunately, there's no need now, as the bastard has been found guilty.

Hoardasurass · 24/01/2023 13:45

Guilty on all charges though the BBC just said a woman has been found guilty of raping 2 women

Diynoidea · 24/01/2023 13:46

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 24/01/2023 12:34

So the reasons that men are not punished for raping women will grow, not just:

  • she was drunk
  • she was wearing a short skirt/low cut top
  • she was coming on to me, when she changed her mind I thought it was a flirting tactic

Now they want to add

  • I was confused about my identity and thought raping a woman might help. I was vulnerable dammit!
  • I'm turning myself into a woman, women can't rape, so logically I can't have raped her because I'm a woman.

Just going to go and beat my head against a brick wall.

It’s terrifying isn’t it?

Hoppinggreen · 24/01/2023 13:48

HereComesMaleficent · 24/01/2023 12:35

From the picture she is still packing the weapon it would appear, capable of carrying out a rape.

So unless they can prove she had it removed and stuck back on recently, she was still capable of carrying out a rape.

World's gone mad...

Yes, interesting choice of outfit from someone who is traumatised by the sex they were born

LauraNicolaides · 24/01/2023 13:49

ArabellaScott · 24/01/2023 12:19

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11667731/Transgender-rapist-accused-attacking-women-transitioning-vulnerable-court-hears.html

According to this KC.

'[Edward Targowski KC] spoke about Bryson's gender, saying: 'She is transitioning from male to female gender.

'If you accept that evidence, that she is transitioning, that she is aiming to continue on that path to becoming female gender, that goes a long way to acquitting her of these charges.'

It's the job of the defence team to do the best for their client and use whatever arguments (including novel ones) that they can. I don't think anything has been done wrong.

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