What gender heresy caused you to be thrown out of Facebook groups?

[KatMcBundleFace]

Standing up to gender wang has been my downfall on several Facebook groups.

The Admin of a 745,000 strong group I recently joined, decided to call JK Rowling a "sadistic piece of shit, terf". He then banned posts about Harry Potter, because the group needs to be "safe space".
He turned off comments as they were not going his way. He then booted out people for just laugh reacting, me included.

Imagine if these pampered children actually have to deal with anyone genuinely sadistic.

I've also been thrown out of a wild camping group for backing up someone who said it was dehumanising to call women "period havers". The admins bullied that person and called him fat. Yup, literally that playground.

My biggest win was getting thrown out of a group run by Facebook itself. They are obviously going for Stonewall points and are training group admins in Gender ideology. There was a post about not using "gendered language". The example given was something like its bad to say "Hi Girls", in a group for women, as not all women identify as women, or some toss. Of cause the replies were a mess. From virtue signaling gone wrong eg the woman that went "we use guys to be inclusive " (she got jumped on), to people saying it was bollocks, to a couple of enbies saying that they are LITERALLY VIOLATED when they have to see terrible things like "ladies and gentlemen". The enbies then decided that everyone who disagreed with them should be booted out because its now an unsafe space.
I called that behaviour bullying. And with that I got banned by Facebook staff.

I must admit I stopped managing my group after that. It was very big and a lot of work. It generated a lot of interactions for Facebook, plus wider media coverage. I was a volunteer, for a horrible corporate business.
Facebook sells data and undermines democracy, but at least the enbies feel seen.

Anyway, has anyone else experienced this in Facebook groups?

I got ejected from a group for objecting to women being called period-havers. First I was told 'woman' was exclusionary, and when I said I found 'period-haver' exclusionary as I don't have periods, I was booted out.

I was also in that cycling group for women where they let in a trans identified person called T. T was very active in the group and posted frequent pics of T in Lycra shorts, and I certainly was uncomfortable thinking that T read posts women made about saddle-fittings and how to find ways of avoiding sores on your labia.

However, anyone who thought T may be getting off on such chat was called a terf, and I left before was chucked out.

my god...was this a "Orwell's Handbook to Authoritarianism" Group?

I got thrown out of a group for jewellers after discussing people wanting "fuck terfs" engraved onto things etc.
Then people started going after my business all over my business socials.
I've had to start again. Taken my website down, changed my business name and started a brand new etsy shop.
I'm spending this week uploading all my products onto a new etsy which says "0 sales" because they were just following my old one so I coupsnt rename it. So now I'm basically starting from the bottom again.
I've got a lot of work ahead of me building up a new brand and loading products etc. Not great!

@WeepingSomnambulist this seems like harassment...possibly libel. You lost a business! I am so so sorry. Did you ever contact a lawyer?

It's all literally just happened the last couple weeks.

I have managed to get most of the posts taken down so I could technically just carry on as before, but I fear that every post would have some wanker commenting under it and I'd be doing damage control to stop it spiraling every time.
So... rebranding it is! Will take a few weeks to get everything back online then I'll be running full steam ahead!

Can I have a link to your new shop? You can private message it if you’re not comfortable. ☺️

Ha! I was going to post about me having to leave the Redhanded Facebook group, I’m guessing this is what you mean!

I wasn't chucked off Facebook, but off Mumsnet. Banned completely after 15 years of membership.

I asked a question on a webchat. I think it might have been "what is a woman?".

Just checking to say hi to everyone - keep fighting the good fight.

M*z

Not Facebook group but a family lunch. I am known to not (historically) like Harry Potter and JKR for reasons f quality of literature and person disagreement. Mocked mercilessly for being jealous because we are the same age and come
from the same place.
when the “whole thing” kicked off people were toasting me for foresight, except I said “what the fuck are you talking about, I’m not that into books about magic school but she’s hardly wrong” and boom I’m back in the car because I don’t understand what it is to be LGBT (despite being B).

not as funny as the time I got kicked out a group because someone asked a question about how to get public transport in Edinburgh, I answered with a link and got deleted because I was wrong. When I cleared up that I could see rhe pissing bus stop from my seat, I got banned because someone from Texas visited in 2010 and had already sufficiently answered.

If you want to join the fight back:

liberalvoiceforwomen.org

@FlirtsWithRhinos I self-rejected out of the same group for similar reasons. Monstrous Regiment is so clearly about women defying their societal constraints and finding friendship and a new way of life, together. None of the characters are trans but I’ve just looked and there’s a note on the Wiki page that it deals with transgender issues, when it’s very specifically about women and their place in society. To me, it’s actually regressive to suggest that the female characters are only able to do what they do because they’re actually men. I mean, ffs!
Rants such as the above are whey I left before I was kicked out 😂

I’ve not been kicked out but I’ve watched several FB groups implode and die over the issue.

Usually the pattern is:

group made for women only

group happily grows, minimal moderation required.

male person with differently gendered soul joins

existing members pretend not to notice male-ness of new member

male member starts posting daily selfies and mirror photos (despite no one else posting selfies)

female members respond in various ways, eg ignore/snark/block but mostly fawn (I personally think this is mostly motivated by a variation of fight/flight… freeze/fawn)

moderation time increases considerably

more males with specially gender souls join
more selfies posted

Then a female group member makes a ‘coming out announcement’ re: becoming a trans man/ non binary.
Makes post demanding to know if they are ‘still welcome?’

mods forced to issue some sort of ‘all woman aligned people welcome’ pinned post

much earnest conversation amongst ’AFAB NB’ members as to what ‘woman aligned’ is intended to mean and accusation re: enbyphobia aimed at mods (how very dare those uppity wimms insist all members of a ‘Womens group’ are women/pretend to be women at least some of the time!)

The Near-Endless Enby Debate Era results in a set of language ‘rules’ and mods are mithered and hectored to implement the new rules (despite the ‘rules’ not really making any sense in the context of the group and the mods not having the time to enforce them 24/7)

Mods either

a) leave, abandoning the group entirely, leaving the male selfie-posters (all very IT proficient) to take charge

or

b) shut the group down and scarper off quick for their own safety/sanity.

I’ve only seen one group survive this phenomenon and that was a group specifically for the discussion and resale of dance shoes (after a struggle session they changed the group name from ‘Women’s X Dance Shoes’ to ‘X Dance Shoes, Women’s sizes, feminine styles’ and never mentioned any of it again))

If anyone wants to see what happens when the mods of an enormous FB group give up trying to keep conversation PC/woke and let it grow wild, Lord of The Flies style, I can recommend ‘That’s a Strange Hill To Die On but At Least You’re Dead’ - it’s full of terves talking biological fact and young blue hairs wondering where the hell all these bloody terves have suddenly sprung from 😉

@SilentRadical

I dont know if I'd be kicked off mumsnet for sending a link to my page. That's all I'd need next! Kicked off mumsnet after chatting on a thread about being kicked off stuff and cancelled 😂

Oh. Whoops! Sorry. haha 😂

female members respond in various ways, eg ignore/snark/block but mostly fawn (I personally think this is mostly motivated by a variation of fight/flight… freeze/fawn)

I agree, but then the more reality aligned members leave because they can't stomach the group any more, except for a few who challenge who can be picked off one by one. You often find the male brings in even more female enablers to sabotage the group.

I was curious about the Red Handed podcast controversy as mentioned by multiple pp, so I searched Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimePodcasts/comments/pkc2ig/redhandedgivinggplatformtooaterf/?utmmsource=share&utmmedium=iossapp&utm_name=iossmf

Laura Richards is excellent. I'm not sure what she did to get herself labelled a "terf" back then though recently she pointed out the actual female victims of rape and murder of the MTF trans person executed in Missouri and she got some flak for that. They seem to be deleting any posts supportive of her in this true crime subreddit, there's a theme here 🙄

Was it Padmins that you were kicked out of? I tend to keep quiet in there as they push gender bullshit quite heavily and people fawn over it so much. That lego group seems to get pushed quite a bit there too

Got chucked out of an autism support group for asking why sex could not be referred to, seeing as the whole point of Transitioning would be to go from one gender to another (not one sex to another as that is impossible) even though I am stumped as to why a dress and long hair/trousers and short hair makes you shift gender. They were dissing JKR at this point too, and I did not quite understand the fuss being kicked up: when I read Rowling’s words it was as factual.

Anyway, I was a raging transphobe for asking that question, and got called a Terf. I had never heard or read that word before so got curious.

And here I am.

not as funny as the time I got kicked out a group because someone asked a question about how to get public transport in Edinburgh, I answered with a link and got deleted because I was wrong. When I cleared up that I could see rhe pissing bus stop from my seat, I got banned because someone from Texas visited in 2010 and had already sufficiently answered.

What?!?! How on earth did that play out? Did they actually have a rule that only one person can give a response, however qualified they are to do so; and that replying afterwards is an offence that actually gets you booted off? I can just imagine how that would work on MN #cancelthecheque

I was told that the book was problematic and they wanted to maintain a ‘safe space’

Ah, the safe space. Apparently my mere presence made people feel “unsafe” and damaged their mental health. My mental health was, seemingly, irrelevant. After all, we Terf scum don’t have feelings, amirite?

And thanks for the heads up about Monstrous Regiment, I haven’t got that far in the TP series but I shall make sure to interpret them correctly when I do. I’d like to have seen Pratchett’s take on all this nonsense, perhaps a revisit of Equal Rites?

Excellent points well made.

Some with whom I’m acquainted (and who I strongly suspect may be one of our monitors <waves> ) very much falls into this category. According to him, MN is “all a bunch of terfs” and yet when any debate on this subject comes up he has no answers except we are all wrong and transphobic and probably a Tory-voting Brexiteer to boot.

He’s not lacking in intelligence, he’s just incredibly intolerant (which is ironic since he’d pride himself on being oh so very kind and lovely )

His daughter is full TWAW and claims her father would have been too. I maintain my own opinion on the matter.

Whatever his own opinion, I don't believe the man who wrote Small Gods would have supported the persecution of JKR and other dissenting women, nor been blind to the authoritarianism and purity spirals of the genderist movement.

Agreed. I can imagine him being quite wry about the whole thing and robustly challenging any attempt to shout down women.

I doubt TP would be TWAW. 'Monstrous Regiment' - which I find over didactic and too issuey for words, sorry! - is about women breaking gender norms. The heroine has a son and her (male) partner is killed in battle. Later she goes to live with her son, pretending to be his father - which presumably is the 'transgender' bit but it isn't, because she does not identify as a man/say she is really a man, but pretends to be a man in order to be able to live in her son's household i.e. she cross dresses in order to access something she needs, in this case a home - and it is suggested to her, she does not think of it. Cross dressing in this way has been done a number of known times and I suspect this is where TP got the idea. The most well-known example is James Barry, who was Margaret Ann Bulkley, and who became an army surgeon. Trans allies tend to call the women who did this trans, but they were not, merely role playing to get what they needed or to earn a living. Wrong to co-opt them into the transagenda (and historically illiterate,too, as is any suggestion that Barry was transgender).