What gender heresy caused you to be thrown out of Facebook groups?

[KatMcBundleFace]

Standing up to gender wang has been my downfall on several Facebook groups.

The Admin of a 745,000 strong group I recently joined, decided to call JK Rowling a "sadistic piece of shit, terf". He then banned posts about Harry Potter, because the group needs to be "safe space".
He turned off comments as they were not going his way. He then booted out people for just laugh reacting, me included.

Imagine if these pampered children actually have to deal with anyone genuinely sadistic.

I've also been thrown out of a wild camping group for backing up someone who said it was dehumanising to call women "period havers". The admins bullied that person and called him fat. Yup, literally that playground.

My biggest win was getting thrown out of a group run by Facebook itself. They are obviously going for Stonewall points and are training group admins in Gender ideology. There was a post about not using "gendered language". The example given was something like its bad to say "Hi Girls", in a group for women, as not all women identify as women, or some toss. Of cause the replies were a mess. From virtue signaling gone wrong eg the woman that went "we use guys to be inclusive " (she got jumped on), to people saying it was bollocks, to a couple of enbies saying that they are LITERALLY VIOLATED when they have to see terrible things like "ladies and gentlemen". The enbies then decided that everyone who disagreed with them should be booted out because its now an unsafe space.
I called that behaviour bullying. And with that I got banned by Facebook staff.

I must admit I stopped managing my group after that. It was very big and a lot of work. It generated a lot of interactions for Facebook, plus wider media coverage. I was a volunteer, for a horrible corporate business.
Facebook sells data and undermines democracy, but at least the enbies feel seen.

Anyway, has anyone else experienced this in Facebook groups?

*men

You stick with us, @Tabitha1960

And they wonder why they are losing votes. 😂

icantlivewithouttea

Yeah, that was nuts! Really turned me tbh. The vitriol. The blocking people who had the audacity to ask why people were being blocked. Fucking nuts. No wonder H&S aren’t officially on the page anymore. If they make even the slightest faux pas on any subject now people are starting posts complaining about them. Used to be a good group. Still, it opened my eyes 👀 😂

MN is the first and, so far, only SM I've bothered with, I'm not really a joiner. From the sounds of it I'm glad. I'm so sorry @Tabitha1960 bastards probably felt really virtuous too. Some people haven't just forgotten what woman means, they've forgotten the meaning of bigotry, tolerance and kindness.

@KatMcBundleFace I was in that 'official' FB group too! Fell foul of the nb mascots a few times and had stuff deleted. Managed to hang in there by not directly challenging, as clearly it would not go my way. I quietly offered a different POV every time, though. They were glitter dusted rainbow darlings who could do no wrong.

I'm so sorry to hear your story @Tabitha1960 . When I was a Unison steward retired stewards could come to the meetings. Only 1 ever did but it really meant a lot to him. I hope you find new and more tolerant friends 💐

I was kicked out of a feminist book group for recommending Rachel Moran’s book Paid For - I was told that the book was problematic and they wanted to maintain a ‘safe space’ when I gently queried their rationale I was told words to the effect that I didn’t fit in with their group and given the boot.

I was kicked out of a professional group which I’d helped found because I openly objected to a group of men singing the praises of a famous male ‘transsexual’ on IWD, which led to a vicious verbal attack upon me, particularly by a misogynist bastard man, and when I calmly didn’t back down because ‘sex and gender are two different things and women are oppressed because of their sex’ I was chucked out.

I think there have probably been others which I wasn’t so invested in.

Oh yes, 'safe space'. I attempted to maintain no space could be free of different opinions. That didn't make it unsafe.
I suggested that you can have a rule about expressing opinions courteously, but not about compulsory agreement!

@Tabitha1960 I am so sorry. 💝

I'm so sorry to read your story @Tabitha1960 - it is cruel. The bullies behind this behaviour are very unwell and the bystanders are cowards.

Could you share the details of the podcast? It sounds really interesting.

Thank you for your compassion.

Thank you very much. I have now found the terfs, and I feel "at home."

Thank you x

I was thrown out of a Facebook group for saying I supported free speech. The admin banning me said "I bet you like JKR too".

I got kicked out of a women's group for saying there's nothing wrong with centering women. Didn't even say anything about men or transwomen or gender wang 😄

One day we will look back and laugh ... I hope!

Sorry to read some of the stories here.

MN is the first and, so far, only SM I've bothered with, I'm not really a joiner.

TRAs come on to MN and sneer at those of us who are GC for 'only wanting an echo chamber' and asking why we don't go on to other forums and discuss it with people who might disagree with us.

The simple reason is because those who endorse the ideology are mostly not mature or inclusive enough to discuss anything with people who disagree with them. The whole rubbish about '#nodebate' always reminds me of that Inigo Montoya quote: they seem to think it means that they don't need to discuss it, because they believe they're automatically right; we see right through them and realise that it means they are incapable of intelligent debate and/or are the worst kind of intolerant bigots that they themselves ironically glory in 'calling out'.

Time and time and time again, it's always exactly the same story:

TRAs: "This is a kind, safe, welcoming, inclusive, respectful space".
Also TRAs: "JKR and anybody who agrees with her is a piece of shit and we want them to die".

There can only be one of three reasons for this behaviour:

1. Extreme lack of intelligence;
2. Intolerant bigotry;
3. Both.

I got kicked out of a film group for saying that “E Page” looked a lot less happy after their transition. I also posted that I’d noticed a pattern of young lesbians transitioning, had anyone else.

There was a yelp of “admin” and I was gone.

I chucked myself out of a Terry Pratchett fan group when it all kicked off about Monstrous Regiment. I read a lot of respectful GC posts, some respectful GS (gender supremecist) posts, and a lot of tantrumming GS posts.

When I reread the thread a few hours later, all the GC posts had been deleted, and posters who had missed the posts and asked what happened were told a bunch of terfs had invaded the site and posted horrible things but they'd been deleted and banned. Cue lots of gushing thanks to the wonderful caring community.

Having seen the actual content of the deleted posts, this blatant lying and hypocrisy made me so sick to my stomach that I left the group.

Omg she does look less happy after transitioning though. She looks like she’s lost weight and looks far less confident in herself. She is such an amazing actress and person. I really hope she sees the light soon. I’m such a huge fan both before and after transition so it’s really hard to watch them going through this. 😢

If it was a Facebook group and is one of two big TP groups, then snap! I just got fed up with one mod in particular posting constant pissy wee rants about how it was a safe space and no nasty people allowed. I've stayed in the other group which seems a lot more neutral.

Ohhh is that what went on with the Terry Prachett one!! I arrived after the deletions

Sorry, side track, but wos up with Montrous Regiment?

We aren't allowed to read the women of Monstrous Regiment as women dressing up as men to escape rigid social constraints. These characters are very important to trans people so it's important everyone reads them as wonderful trans men and boys expressing their true gender.