Wings Over Scotland: The Grooming of Holyrood

[DerekFaker]

Good, detailed article on Beth Douglas and associates (Jess Bradley).

wingsoverscotland.com/the-grooming-of-holyrood/

Seriously are we not past the stage yet where people prefer to remain ignorant and safe within their little purity spirals instead of reading the bloody article

FFS

Things like this will keep happening as long as people have this attitude.

Well I refuse to accept it as an excuse anymore.

In order to understand all sides of a debate I read material from all sorts of sources (some which i wish i could erase from my brain forever, looking at you and your penis montage Darren Mews) to ensure I have all views on a matter. If someone mentions a new source I go and read it.

If people aren't bothered to educate themselves then so be it. But they don't then get to say "I didn't know, I didn't realise, I thought they meant something else, I believed what they said".

I'm done with pathetic excuses.

Just a quiet thank you to lovely mumsnetters for being great as usual. I am ok - my lovely almost-wife has been wonderful and basically abandoned her day to just be with me. We have a wedding venue and she took me out for dinner which was nice.

Wings over Scotland is adamantly refusing to take my section out so I'll be contacting Women's Aid & Scottish Women's Rights Centre tomorrow. I've also contacted gofundme to have the fundraiser removed.

If anyone else has any other ideas on how I can push for this, it would be welcome. Whilst you all do feel that this story needs told, I also feel that the safety of survivors is imperative.

@thecaseofthepurplecushion looks like you've got a good one there. Tell her to give you an extra long tight hug from all of us.

I know it feels shit right now, but as it's out there then you have to look for each and every positive to come from that part of your life and hold on to those.

You wouldn't be The strong person you are today, where you are, with the person you love and are about to marry if those things in your past hasn't happened.

You've met a whole group of women who until today didn't know you. We do now, that won't change tomorrow or next week, we'll still be here if you need us.

I appreciate this might not help much, so have wine🍷x

Glad to hear you're okay, purplecushion. And that your plans are going well, that's a nice distraction!

The section should be removed, yes, or have your name/image obscured. That wouldn't affect the rest of the story at all. I completely agree that your safety and wellbeing are imperative.

Thank you so much. X

I agree, the point more than comes across without it!

It's so clear that TRAs are just bog-standard unhinged MRAs and incels who know they'll never be allowed to push around other men but have found a way to colonise women's spaces and dominate women's politics and be celebrated instead of castigated for it.

@thecaseofthepurplecushion
Oh purple just catching up with you hen. So glad you got away from those bastards . I am so sorry for what you have been through ♥️. Been there many moons ago . I am so glad you have a good person with you now and I am so sad this has all come out and Bath man has outed you . I hope you are safe . Please stay safe . You deserve a good life and good people around you. @Glinner if you can please influence Bath man from Wings to remove the reference 🙏 I am so please that you are getting hitched to a nice lassie . How lovely ! You deserve it after all you have been through . Us mumsnetters are always on - someone is always on here to chat xxxx💐💗

Sick of violent men in all their guises, and woman is just another guise to enable violence. Slow handclap to the morons who empower them

No.

A lot of interesting research there.

These people are walking red flags that most sane people would give a wide berth to and yet they have been welcomed with open arms and allowed to influence policy affecting all of us. It's sickening. When one hears mutters of "friends in high places" one thinks of things like - oh I don't know - maybe secret, generous interest free mortgage loans or well paid jobs involving minimal actual work. But rewriting biology and imposing laws to enforce lies and prioritise fetish? Who would have thought it possible.

@thecaseofthepurplecushion I've emailed the author to request your details are removed.

All the best for your wedding 😊

I'm tempted to print that article and give it to my neighbour to read. He's a total lefty who thinks the Labour party are the answer to everything. I recently told him why, as a woman, I would never vote Labour and was informed it's all about equality and that's a good thing.

Yes I know the article is about the SNP but there are Labour party MP's equally complicit in allowing these reprehensible people to have a platform.

Thank you, I appreciate it!

Thank you for your lovely message xxx

Sorry to post again, I don't want to make it all about me or detract from the issue at hand...

Does anyone know where I should turn to next? I cannot get through to the women's rights helpline, women's aid doesn't feel quite right either... is there anyone else? Should I be phoning 101? Thanks.

What exactly have some of these people got on Nicola Sturgeon? Does someone know where the bodies are buried?

That aside, the saying around giving someone enough rope has never been more apt than now. Keep allowing people (men) to make and hold up placards advocating violence and even death to women and sooner or the later the vast majority are going to get tired of it. The tide is already turning. I think we’ve seen that over the last few weeks. There are some men out there with a serious deep rooted hatred of women. For some of these men, this movement has provided an opportunity for them to express that hatred in plain sight. But we see you, we’ve always seen you, and now you’ve made yourselves well and truly seen.

‘When people show you who they are, believe them’.

Without wanting to encourage you to share any personal or upsetting details, purple, if you've been threatened or harassed then yes, it would make sense to contact the police. They should have specialist officers who can deal with dv and harassment and are experienced in supporting abuse victioms, and they will be able to advise and perhaps speak to the people who've abused or harassed you.

I fully understand how hard it is to disclose abuse, assault and rape. My heart goes out to you.

sorry, advise you, obviously!

I fully understand how hard it is to disclose abuse, assault and rape. My heart goes out to you.

Me too ❤️

Hi Purple if the abuse is ongoing, escalating, or you are still in fear or have been made to fel like you will have something to fear then yes I'd call the usual police number.

If not I'd ring the other police number.

And also I do think women's aid is exactly right. One way or another you may be currently at risk of harm or further outing due to abuse from a partner in your past.

Hello. I'm the author of the article in question and the editor of the website. I'd like to outline our position for the record. I have no intention of getting into any fights about it.

(1) A Wings representative contacted Emrys last Thursday, before we'd even started writing the article, in an attempt to discuss it with her. She did not reply. (I could screenshot proof of this, but doing so would risk revealing information about her current life.)

(2) Everything we published about Emrys/Olli Mordin (and there were only a couple of brief mentions in a 2500-word article) was public domain. The GoFundMe page discussing her relationship with Beth Douglas was and still is live for anyone to see. We didn't archive the tweets we published, we found them by Googling, as could anyone else.

(3) We didn't mention any rapes or sexual assaults suffered by Emrys. We didn't know about them.

(4) We didn't say anything that could possibly reveal Emrys' current identity, location or occupation. We found out quite a bit about her current life, including photographs, but we didn't publish any of it in order to protect her. Nor is the article in any way critical of her.

(5) Beth Douglas is a clear and present danger to the women of Scotland. Yet he appears to be the darling of many of the MSPs in the Scottish Parliament, to the extent that the leader of one of the parties there announced that the gender reforms which will essentially rob Scottish women of all safeguards against predatory men had been pushed through by MSPs specifically for Beth Douglas.

The only possibility of removing him from this extremely disturbing position of influence is to expose exactly what sort of a person he is, and that requires revealing things he's done. There is no way of doing that without publishing the material we published. (Simply redacting Emrys' name would still have enabled anyone to find it by searching for the text.)

(6) We have been provided with no evidence whatsoever that the person claiming here (and on Twitter, and by email) to be Emrys actually is Emrys or anyone connected to her. Beth Douglas has a history of infiltration and impersonation, which we also documented in the article.

The behaviour of the person claiming to be Emrys is inconsistent and peculiar. For example, yesterday she was tweeting on dozens and dozens of threads about it, drawing a large amount of attention - the opposite of what she professes to want - even though I'd already replied to her saying my DMs were open and I was happy to discuss it in private. That tweet can be seen here: twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1617598634996174849

Her account name here has also changed in the last 24 hours but previous posts are still visible under the previous name.

The person you're all believing without question could in fact be Beth Douglas, trying to glean information he could use to harass Emrys further, or simply trying to suppress some of what we revealed about him, or to derail and deflect subsequent discussion of the contents of the article as we see here.

The above are the reasons we haven't altered the piece. Feel free to agree or disagree with that decision, but please at least do so on the basis of having heard both sides.

Regards,
RSC

Thank you for the comment. I honestly thought the entire thing and posts are very odd and seemed more like an attempt to try and derail the conversation on the depravity of the people and involvement with Holyrood.

I've seen TRA do things like this before making a lot of alt accounts and pretending to be other people to try and change the narrative.