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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

That decapitate terfs sign

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SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 22/01/2023 10:38

Not sure if this has been discussed here yet but on wombling through my Twitter feed I found this picture.

Why on Earth would any venue so happily trumpet their involvement with this?

And I fund the black bloc - and it's fucking scary how much real bile went into this.

I hope some one sensible is taking note. This can't go unchecked - can it?

That decapitate terfs sign
That decapitate terfs sign
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ArabellaScott · 12/05/2023 07:56

I agree all threats are wrong and should be condemned, but I would question if the "decapacitation" threat is credible?

Yes, the threat is credible.

ArabellaScott · 12/05/2023 08:04

And archiving pages, links, articles is often very useful as things get deleted.

Absolutely bemused at the weak attempts.to derail the thread,.BTW. I suggest ignoring.

AuContraire · 12/05/2023 08:08

Cailin66 · 12/05/2023 06:51

Is Eddy Izzard holding his penis in that link?

Yes, he's fiddling with his penis in the public part of the female loos.

donquixotedelamancha · 12/05/2023 08:20

Is Eddy Izzard holding his penis in that link?

Her penis, you bigot.😉

Mintons · 12/05/2023 08:44

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Shelefttheweb · 12/05/2023 08:57

Was the assault on the LWS steward by several transactivists a joke?
Was repeatedly punching a 70 year old woman at a LWS event in NZ a joke?
Was throwing a substance over KJK a joke?
Was spitting at someone trying to attend a screening of adult human female a joke?
Was the attempted physical assault of Julie Bindel in Edinburgh a joke?
Was the shooting at a gay club in America a joke?
Was the murder of children, only nine years old, and teachers in an American primary school a joke?

Helleofabore · 12/05/2023 09:06

MerlinsLostMarbles · 11/05/2023 23:32

The link is valid but web archive links are broken when posted on here, seems to be a MN formatting issue. You can still access the link by highlighting and then selecting "go go link". I can post a screenshot if you want.

I agree all threats are wrong and should be condemned, but I would question if the "decapacitation" threat is credible? I mean, does that person really have a guillotine and are they really going to drag it all the way to Glasgow's Buchanan Street?

However a 6 and a half foot man threatening to enter a woman's toilets to drag a woman out by her boots IMO sounds like a very real and credible hate-motivated threat that should be taken seriously by police.

It was ‘just water’.

It was ‘only a cream pie’, ‘look at all the comedy sketches using cream pies’.

It is just a joke sign.

ProtectAndTerf · 12/05/2023 09:07

It's interesting that we have an offence of "inciting racial hatred" but not inciting hatred, or even violence, towards other protected groups. Even more general offences to do with inciting violence or public order type things are biased in terms of who they're used against.

If someone walked around with a sign saying "decapitate gays" or "decapitate Muslims" they'd surely be arrested for something?

I wonder if Mintons would think it was just "a joke" in these cases? I also genuinely wonder how it would be treated if someone had a sign saying "decapitate Tories". Would they be arrested or would it be seen as a joke, part of a protest? Obvs Tories aren't a protected group, just as gender criticals aren't (yet both sets of beliefs protected in law I guess?) This is where it starts to become obvious who has the power (and thus laws are used in favour of them) ...

ArabellaScott · 12/05/2023 09:08

Oh, brilliant, we have someone who can categorically tell us which of these is a joke and which is credible. There are quite a lot, but it's fine, we can wait.

https://terfisaslur.com/

Teeingup · 12/05/2023 09:09

Just wow :(

Helleofabore · 12/05/2023 09:10

ArabellaScott · 12/05/2023 09:08

Oh, brilliant, we have someone who can categorically tell us which of these is a joke and which is credible. There are quite a lot, but it's fine, we can wait.

https://terfisaslur.com/

I look forward to this. thanks Minton. Much appreciated!

nilsmousehammer · 12/05/2023 09:25

Hmm, Glinner's threat about dragging a male out of a women's space by their boots.... I mean, using the logic presented of 'well it's not likely is it so don't take it seriously' - what if the male isn't wearing boots? Is Glinner really going to go and buy boots to put on the male person in order to be able to drag them? What does 'drag' mean in this context exactly? I think we can dismiss that and notice that the difference between the two threats was one removing a male from a space where women were uncomfortable/excluded by the male's presence and the other involved killing women who would not enable males.

Bit different really.

It's that whole morality thing again where 'benefits TQ+ politics good/ doesn't benefit TQ+ politics bad'. So threatening to kill non servile women who dare to have needs of their own? Good, threatening to prevent a male doing exactly what he pleases to the cost of women? Bad. Women talking about it and pointing out how bloody awful that sign was? Bad. Women caring more about death threats to themselves than someone threatening to inconvenience a male person? Bad. Oooh bad.

Nah, your morality's completely messed up mate. You need a re think there.

RoyalCorgi · 12/05/2023 09:54

No one here is responsible for what Graham Linehan, a male gender-critical ally, does or says. It's that first rule of misogyny again: Women are responsible for what men do.

I don't see any women making violent threats against male trans activists: the threats of violence - not to mention the actual violence - are all one way.

As usual on this board, we see attempts by trans activists to minimise violence against women. Nothing could make the misogyny of this movement clearer than the pretence that threats by trans activists to decapitate women, as well as fracturing an elderly woman's skull, are trivial and inconsequential.

And these are the people we're supposed to welcome into our single-sex spaces.

SockGoddess · 12/05/2023 10:53

I won't defend Glinner just because he's GC. I'm wary of male allies, in this and in other areas - they can be lovely, but a subset will have an ulterior motive and many will have innate misogyny that they don't admit to/see or understand. I have never followed or cheered on Glinner - I may agree with his general viewpoint, but that doesn't make me Team Glinner.

It's true that threats of violence and actual violence are overwhelmingly from the gender ideology side of this argument. I don't think that's coincidental and I don't even think it's just because those responsible are mainly male, though that is part of it. It's because their argument cannot be made in logical, rational terms, and is circular and self-defeating, so violence, threats and smearing become the only option for them. The GC argument is not illogical, and can and should (and will IMO) be won by clear, factual debate and explication that makes sense.

MavisMcMinty · 12/05/2023 12:40

ArabellaScott · 12/05/2023 09:08

Oh, brilliant, we have someone who can categorically tell us which of these is a joke and which is credible. There are quite a lot, but it's fine, we can wait.

https://terfisaslur.com/

Wow. JFC.

Sorry, those are the only words I have. What a cesspit of male violence. “Jokes” my fucking arse.

Pudmyboy · 12/05/2023 12:48

The sign is a joke yes signs advising killing women are always hilarious 😡

MerlinsLostMarbles · 12/05/2023 12:58

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The victims (which he directly named) may not see it as a "joke", also other LGBT people who see his posts may also feel threatened by him and afraid for their safety.

Yet you want the police to spend their resources tracking down a sign with a cartoon drawing of a guillotine on it that didn't directly name anyone.

It's obvious the context doesn't matter to some posters here, a threat is a "joke" if the target is gay or trans people, but it's "credible" if the target is gender critical people.

Waitwhat23 · 12/05/2023 12:59

As a Scottish woman, I do not consider seeing my elected representatives standing smirking in front of a sign calling for violence against women a joke. At all.

Anyone saying 'it's a joke' - can you please explain the joke?

nilsmousehammer · 12/05/2023 13:00

other LGBT people who see his posts may also feel threatened by him and afraid for their safety.

And the never ending rape and death threats, and actual violence, aren't leaving women threatened and afraid for their safety?

nilsmousehammer · 12/05/2023 13:01

It's obvious the context doesn't matter to some posters here, a threat is a "joke" if the target is gay or trans people, but it's "credible" if the target is gender critical people.

This is what we call 'projection'.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 12/05/2023 13:01

Waitwhat23 · 12/05/2023 12:59

As a Scottish woman, I do not consider seeing my elected representatives standing smirking in front of a sign calling for violence against women a joke. At all.

Anyone saying 'it's a joke' - can you please explain the joke?

I'm still waiting to her about how a 6 and a half foot man saying on Twitter he will enter women's toilets and violently drag a woman out is a "joke".

SinnerBoy · 12/05/2023 13:06

He didn't say he was going to drag a woman out, he mentioned Eddie Izzard.

ArabellaScott · 12/05/2023 13:07

I'm still waiting to hear if the police have found who made and displayed that sign.

GailBlancheViola · 12/05/2023 13:08

I'm still waiting to her about how a 6 and a half foot man saying on Twitter he will enter women's toilets and violently drag a woman out is a "joke".

Not drag out a woman - a male, transwomen are male.

I'm going to rock up to demos with a Decapitate Gender Ideologues sign as a 'joke'. I am sure I will have your full and unconditional support that this is just a 'joke' and you will of course step in if I am either assaulted for carrying the sign or arrested, you absolutely will won't you @MerlinsLostMarbles and you would absolutely appear as a witness for me if it went to Court.

SinnerBoy · 12/05/2023 13:09

I don't think blue is your colour, so no holding your breath.