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Sunday Morning Live BBC TOMORROW 10:30; Scottish GRA Reform, no female lawyers on panel

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MrsMidClegs · 21/01/2023 15:55

Sunday Morning Live on BBC One tomorrow will include a debate about the legal implications of the Scottish GRA reform.

WRN was asked to send a speaker, we were ready to do this but then they said she was not needed.

We know that Robin Moira White is speaking.

The format of the programme is interactive, and viewer texts, phone messages etc are read out to contribute to the debate. Please tune in, send messages and ensure that the voices of women are heard, but this will be too late, the BBC is not conforming to its remit of impartiality if it refuses to interview someone of the protected class this Bill will demolish.

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Tinysoxxx · 22/01/2023 16:31

Also disagree with you Margarita. I don’t think you have young adult children/children as you will have noticed the shift.

I disagree with your assessment of Uni students based on my experience of being around schools and universities recently.

In my experience as an ex-teacher, the gender stuff is more likely in white, middle class, more affluent areas where children are spending a lot of time on social media. Most children start getting active on social media at secondary school. By the end of year 7/ beginning of year 8 there’s a lot of, what I would call ‘avoidance genders’ - identifying as a gender that tries to avoid puberty effects and any sexuality as, particularly girls, are scared about what this entails. This is also great in popularity stakes as they get lots of likes for being pansexual/non-binary etc. This carries on throughout school so they can dismiss attention. By years 10/11 lot of pupils are ready for relationships and reject these labels. Except a ‘core group’ at sixth form. These groups can be very vocal on ‘their rights’ etc etc. What is happening is that the sixth formers are avoiding these groups as they see through them. Of course, ‘being kind’ but keeping out the way and not mixing. So by the time they go to university most students are very clued up and see these groups as a hornets nest - tread carefully around them and definitely don’t stir them up. Any agreeing is just to avoid disagreeing. But I have seen a change where students are getting fed up of the immaturity of these groups. And in the last year they are beginning to be more eye-rolling about it.

Boiledbeetlelovesbeautifullybindedbundles · 22/01/2023 17:24

So disappointed I went out and bought a new name and everything, took me all day. Get home go to catch up and RMW is a no show.

Well, that was a waste.

And with regards to a comment by a poster who i refuse to mention at the moment the young girls I know are very gender critical but absolutely petrified of saying it out loud where their friendship gross might ostracise them, so yeah in public they are all very much in favour. Safe at home when they are free to speak their mind, they are sick of this crap.

MorvenOfMalvern · 22/01/2023 18:08

I've got teen daughters, they're v GC, as are all their sporty friends. They're not stupid. They know the cut off times they need to achieve in their sports to make selections and they know the boys' times are out of their reach.

They have zero desire to share rooms, tents, changing rooms or toilets with boys and men. My girls and their friends are really into their privacy and won't change on a beach or next to the pool for example, they want and need privacy as they get used to their changing bodies and the unpredictable vagaries of menstruation.

They've got friends at school who are all part of the LGBTQIA+++ Club and they're all girls who 'go out with' each other and wear furry cats ears and watch manga. Not one of them is actually in anything like a relationship with anyone, they just hang out together and get a lot of kudos and protection for being part of the group. It's a safety and group identity thing, the like of which has gone on in early adolescence since the dawn of time. These girls also know what a girl is, and clearly value close female company (and they may grow up to be lesbian, who knows/cares).

I have responsibility for students at work and they're also well aware of the impacts of being female in the workplace, the impacts of single sex provision on women of different cultural and religious backgrounds etc, the needs for female staff members for mixed groups of children.

When you are clear with your questions and your language, you will find that not many people are up for giving any men, however they identify, blanket acceptance into women's spaces and categories. Look at the comments on articles such as Ellie Gomersal in The Times today. No one thinks this doesn't have impacts that needs considering.

I'm only in my 40s, I'll be alive a while yet I hope. I'm not going to change my mind on this fundamental issue of reality. I cannot see that my bright and critical thinking daughters, to whom sport and privacy matter so much, are going to be persuaded. My mum is 75 so possibly fits in your category of people to be ignored, but she's fit, active, articulate and very involved in her local community activities and church. She's not stupid or to be dismissed easily. She's worked in safeguarding and social work all her life and absolutely knows what a woman is. Women who grew up in the 50s and 60s know a lot about male abuse of women unfortunately.

You are wrong wrong wrong. Women are not going to just let this go. We are not going to give in and agree. We are going to fight tooth and nail to prevent this harmful ideology going any further to remove our rights.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 22/01/2023 18:24

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Margarita
I have DC at School and Uni right now and they are biological realists possibly because they study STEM. Also they play rugby and they know full well that there is no way any of their team could safely play against women. DS1 is well over 6 foot and around average size for his team. DS2 has boys in his school team who are 6'4" They understand concussion risk and injury risk from tackling and they wouldn't be comfortable playing against females.

I think you'll find that teenagers increasingly see the trans issues as an older persons issue and a bit boring. (Remember to a teenager 30 is ancient).

Tabitha1960 · 22/01/2023 19:11

Sean Fletcher and Holly Hamilton present the show that puts the heart and soul into Sundays, bringing faith and ethics to the discussions that matter most.

The UK government blocked Scotland's gender law reform, which would have simplified the process for gaining a gender recognition certificate. Should it be easier to change your legal sex?

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001hhxg/sunday-morning-live-series-13-episode-15

MorvenOfMalvern · 23/01/2023 08:26

Polling from the end of last week shows v little support for this. If course, sone of those asked may have been older and therefore MP thinks they should just politely die off and have no say, but while they're here they do keep having opinions....

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gender-reforms-rejected-by-voters-in-scotland-and-england-poll-finds-887k6jmpn

MorvenOfMalvern · 23/01/2023 08:28

Tabitha1960 · 22/01/2023 19:11

Sean Fletcher and Holly Hamilton present the show that puts the heart and soul into Sundays, bringing faith and ethics to the discussions that matter most.

The UK government blocked Scotland's gender law reform, which would have simplified the process for gaining a gender recognition certificate. Should it be easier to change your legal sex?

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001hhxg/sunday-morning-live-series-13-episode-15

I'm not sure there were any faith and ethics (or heart and soul) on display? Sean Fletcher was just wide eyed naivety as far as I saw!

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