Sunday Morning Live BBC TOMORROW 10:30; Scottish GRA Reform, no female lawyers on panel

[MrsMidClegs]

Sunday Morning Live on BBC One tomorrow will include a debate about the legal implications of the Scottish GRA reform.

WRN was asked to send a speaker, we were ready to do this but then they said she was not needed.

We know that Robin Moira White is speaking.

The format of the programme is interactive, and viewer texts, phone messages etc are read out to contribute to the debate. Please tune in, send messages and ensure that the voices of women are heard, but this will be too late, the BBC is not conforming to its remit of impartiality if it refuses to interview someone of the protected class this Bill will demolish.

It's almost like TRAs are doing transpeople no favours at all. You'd almost think it was deliberate.

IW being what i would describe as extremely transphobic towards Debbie Hayton. Funny to watch. Think IW maybe a tad miffed at not being invited to the party.

Thanks for making it clear that Ella Whelan was excellent. She really was. I called her Ellie in my original post. Just realised that the younger transwoman was Ellie. So I appreciate that correction. I looked to see a panel listing and didn't, so went from memory. Note to self, don't do that in future :) Cheers @ExiledElsie

Apparently Hayton doesn’t fulfill the requirement to be trans, but simultaneously anyone can claim they are trans because … special reasons.

Whatever happened to “acceptance without exception”?

I know! The barefaced cheek of it is too funny. They don't see the irony at all! Acceptance without exception (except when IW and others say so)

Changing a birth certificate is a bundle of batshittery. You don't erase or falsify your marriage certificate when you get divorced, do you? It's not like the marriage never happened. You get a decree nisi and a decree absolute.

In any case, they're not your certificates. They're records that belong to the state. Why is the state colluding with certain citizens to falsify records that belong to the state?

Let's see if all of these guests appear at 7pm:

https://twitter.com/andrewdoylecom/status/1617140742148984832?s=46&t=O4RcjhbRff_LIg5gU7hNE1w

This programme is now available on iPlayer , if anyone needs a catch up.

I look at Gomersall and all I can do is wonder about the mental gymnastics he’s done to decide that he’s female.

A Twitterer called it ‘Blue Peter level discussion’, sums it up.

That's a very good point. The MSM channels haven't caught up. I never watch this programme it's without any depth. They really need more long form programmes where they discuss issues like this. Anyone remember 'Up All Night' used to love that. I did see someone on twitter say RMW was on 'Free Speech Nation' tonight.

I watched this earlier. When Ellie made the argument that gender dysphoria has been removed from the list of mental health conditions by the WHO as an argument for demedicalising the GRC process my wars pricked up. If this is one of the new lines of argument for self-ID, it’s going to run into problems. If it’s not a medical disorder then why is the NHS picking up the bill for treatments (cosmetic and surgical procedures) which effectively support a lifestyle choice and why is this lifestyle choice getting special legal protections that others don’t? Why don’t women with PCOS get hair removal on the NHS, or women with back pain their breast reductions? Or cataract surgeries, where patients with one good eye are expected to make do? Why the special treatment when other, medically necessary surgeries are rationed?

When I was canvassing people to complete the GRA consultation, a lot of people thought transwoman meant a woman who identified as a man. And my experience wasn't uncommon.

Yes, precisely. And a very large percentage will also automatically assume that a transwoman means somebody who has had his genitals removed and thus, although still genetically male, is much less of a threat to women - and, I suppose, has made a firm 'commitment' to their seriousness in their perceived cause.

absolutely this. I know because I was one of the women who would previously have said this. I then went on to be very clear with many of my female friends who have ALL now fully agree with my concerns.

I know of 2 men who wrote in to the show to ask about the impact of the reform on Muslim women. Aka, this will re-introduce the urinary leash on practising devout Muslim women in the workplace if they cannot be guaranteed a female only place to pay down their hair, ablute before prayer etc.
No response from them. It's as if the BBC are Islamophobic?

@JoodyBlue you're welcome! In these short pieces I'm often frustrated that 'my' points never get made, but Ella Whelan was so good I rewound to check her name and found her on Twitter.

I overwhelmingly support LGBT rights, Margarita. The rights we all have.

I do not support people claiming to be a different sex from the reality, and I don't support sex categories being redefined as gender identity categories with no consideration of the outcome.

Awards categories by sex, as they always have been, instead of gender identity?
Sport by sex rather than GI?
Medical treatment, prisons, toileting...

all traditionally separated very effectively by sex.

No need for any law changes, no need for extra rights or conflict of rights, if we continue as it has always been.

Have whatever gender identity you like- there are about a hundred to choose from after all- and there's no need to change laws to accommodate it.

Win win.

Disagree all you like, Marge. But the newer polls with the clearer language say what they say. Women said no, get over it.

Look at the backlash against ex-lecturer Ms Stock for example.

This is disingenuous. The protest against Professor Stock (or Doctor if you prefer, but have some manners and give her one of her correct titles. ) Those protests were staged by provocateurs from outside Sussex University (the so-called "anti-fascist protesters, whose tactics look suspiciously like Blackshirts from the 1930s, but hey, right side of history & all that) and the number of students involved was a tiny percentage of Sussex's total student population of almost 20,000 undergraduates.

Universities are not real life - So many students dare not speak out loud. Doc Stock has proved herself and was nominated one of the top worldwide current philosophers. Reaching a wider audience than ever. You are so wrong - women say no!

And then they will have a bad experience. They will experience the misogyny 1st hand or God forbid worse.

Or they will have children.

Or they will have to give a male a smear test on the NHS

Or their mum will have to share a hospital ward with a male.

Or their granny has a male carer for intimate care despite the request for same sex care.