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SNP demo - 'decapitate t*rfs'

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ArabellaScott · 21/01/2023 13:23

twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1616767482785632260

'Stewart McDonald, Kirsten Oswald, Kaukab Stewart and Alison Thewliss were at the Glasgow protest to support the trans community and stand up for Scotland's democracy.'

That's them standing in front of a sign that says 'decapitate terfs'.

Again, I'm genuinely fucking shocked. This inflammatory, violent rhetoric is not acceptable.

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IwantToRetire · 22/01/2023 18:04

I was thinking about that whole attempt to slur people or rather women, with the guilt by association. ie you walked down the same street as -- was going down the other side.

Maybe get screen shoots of the photos of the MSPs / MPs smiling by signs ecouraging violence against women and send them to their constituency saying surely they dont want to be represented by someone who supports violence against women.

Or compose an online wall of shame.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2023 18:11

IwantToRetire · 22/01/2023 18:04

I was thinking about that whole attempt to slur people or rather women, with the guilt by association. ie you walked down the same street as -- was going down the other side.

Maybe get screen shoots of the photos of the MSPs / MPs smiling by signs ecouraging violence against women and send them to their constituency saying surely they dont want to be represented by someone who supports violence against women.

Or compose an online wall of shame.

This had to be the point surely where they have to stop denying these things as that never happens.

When you are starting at a photo of yourself with Decapitate Terfs behind you how the fuck do you choose to worm your way out of that instead of going oh my god I'm abhorent, I support that person and their sign, what the fuck am I doing? Everyone I'm so Fucking sorry, I've been blind to it.

if you can't apologise properly and instead choose to minimise them I'm sorry but you support that sign.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 22/01/2023 18:17

DressingForRevenge · 22/01/2023 13:26

Next time you’ve got to play “shag, marry, eat” with the Johnson family? 🤷‍♀️

What’s with all the SWP placards ? Do the SWP really care about this issue or did they just fancy a coach trip?

The SWP set up a pop-up gazebo, which is visible in some photos.

And yes, the SWP seem very invested in this issue. They declined to distance the party from the behaviour of protesters outside a WPUK meeting, even though the protesters were on film shouting racist abuse during the protest. Screaming racist abuse at black passers-by who had nothing to do with WPUK, in fact. There happened to be an entirely separate conference being held near the WPUK meeting that same night, on the subject of black people in business, and the protesters leapt to the conclusion that anyone else in the area must be a WPUK attendee and thus fair game for their racism.

I will quote WPUK's letter on the subject, but without citing the extensive description of exactly what was screeched at black people going past to their own conference. If you want to read it, follow the link at the bottom.

Dear SWP,

Your paper’s coverage of the protests against Professor Kathleen Stock at the University of Sussex made it clear that the SWP believes it is legitimate for women who recognise that sex is a material reality to be harassed and intimidated at their workplace. The protests have now resulted in Professor Stock being obliged to leave the university. While the piece does say that women like us should not be driven out of our jobs, it gave a signal to your members that they have your organisation’s support if they take part in such protests, whatever the professional or personal impact on the targeted woman.

D, who identifies as an SWP member on Twitter, organised just such a protest at our public meeting A Woman’s Place Is (Not) In Prison on Wednesday October 27th at the QE2 Centre in London.

D’s public Twitter feed encourages people to join the SWP. D has retweeted statements suggesting that protesting at events like ours is a form of “anti-fascist solidarity”. The same individual also tweeted the time and location of our meeting encouraging people to protest at it and described Joanna Cherry MP and women who share her opinions as “absolute Nazis”.

Almost 600 women had bought tickets to hear an all-woman panel discuss how prison punishes women for being poor, violently abused and vulnerable. It was a meeting which would have been of interest to any socialist or feminist as it was discussing the cruelties of the prison system and alternatives to it for vulnerable working-class women.

There were only about six protestors and videos of them are circulating widely online.

Our event coincided with a conference for Black people in business as part of Black History Month.

People attending our event and the Black business meeting, venue staff and our stewards were subjected to the most extreme outpouring of racist and misogynistic abuse. The apparent organiser and leader of the protest, D, and the SWP by association, bear responsibility for the protestors’ language and behaviour.

Rest of letter

The SWP's public statement afterwards failed to acknowledge the racist abuse, much less condemn it.

Some may find it curious that the SWP should be so interested in any of this. I remind you of how this party handled it when a young female party member alleged that a Very Senior Person (Comrade Delta) from the central committee had raped her. They decided to keep the investigation inhouse because they didn't want to involve anything so bourgeois as the police, and simply referred it to the disciplinary committee, (composed of people he knew and had worked with for years) who promptly exonerated him.

It became known as the Comrade Delta incident. One wonders whether the disciplinary committee would have been considered a preferable option to the bourgeois police if someone had murdered Comrade Delta. One suspects not.

StephanieSuperpowers · 22/01/2023 18:22

I do find it astonishing how muted the condemnation from the right side of history has been. The strongest condemnation I have seen from them is that it makes them look bad. You're right there - it makes you look terrible. Well, outside your mra circles, at any rate.

WarriorN · 22/01/2023 18:30

🔥

I think this has stemmed from jks earlier comments on the violent placards.

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WarriorN · 22/01/2023 18:32

If that comment from Willy doesn't make people think twice ....

<rephrase that with toblerone references>

VinoDino · 22/01/2023 18:33

Some of the comments are gold. Obviously the usual TWAW feature but the majority that I've read so far are anti-India.

ArabellaScott · 22/01/2023 18:35

VinoDino · 22/01/2023 18:33

Some of the comments are gold. Obviously the usual TWAW feature but the majority that I've read so far are anti-India.

racist.

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StephanieSuperpowers · 22/01/2023 18:35

This one must be a joke (although the things they say are so mindbendingly stupid at times, it's hard to tell):

twitter.com/honestsportz/status/1617223994763055104

Kucinghitam · 22/01/2023 18:36

StephanieSuperpowers · 22/01/2023 18:22

I do find it astonishing how muted the condemnation from the right side of history has been. The strongest condemnation I have seen from them is that it makes them look bad. You're right there - it makes you look terrible. Well, outside your mra circles, at any rate.

It's because they've all got their Righteous heads in the sand. Or doing the "see no evil" part of the monkey trio. Or pointing wildly at squirrels.

VinoDino · 22/01/2023 18:36

@ArabellaScott what's racist?

WarriorN · 22/01/2023 18:37

I'm blocked so had to go to my Switzerland account.

"Spoken like a true man" <snort>

WarriorN · 22/01/2023 18:38

I think it's a joke Vino

ArabellaScott · 22/01/2023 18:38

VinoDino · 22/01/2023 18:36

@ArabellaScott what's racist?

India has said some horribly racist things in the past.

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VinoDino · 22/01/2023 18:39

Aaah I get it 😂 Bit slow on the uptake there!

StephanieSuperpowers · 22/01/2023 18:39

Kucinghitam · 22/01/2023 18:36

It's because they've all got their Righteous heads in the sand. Or doing the "see no evil" part of the monkey trio. Or pointing wildly at squirrels.

JK "The Squirrel" Rowling...

"Oh look! There's JK Rowling. She's the worst, isn't she? I mean, just look at her...."

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 22/01/2023 18:41

VinoDino · 22/01/2023 18:36

@ArabellaScott what's racist?

It's a joke because you talked about comments being 'anti-India'. That said, there are plenty of screenshots of IW being racist. So the answer could be IW!

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 22/01/2023 18:41

Cross-post!

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WarriorN · 22/01/2023 18:49

Stonking article, thanks for the share.

I've just noticed a child has their hands around (is it Alison's) neck - really? You expose your child to all that?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 22/01/2023 18:53

The Times article was a bit bland. It didn’t explain the nature of the stickers so it made them look somehow equivalent.

ResisterRex · 22/01/2023 18:55

From that article:

"The spokesman would not confirm how many complaints they had received about the banners or whether their enquiries were being pursued as potential hate crimes."

But also:

"Scottish police chiefs recently ordered an action plan to build links with the transgender community amid concerns over a lack of trust in officers.

They have also earmarked £55,000 for a new campaign to prevent hate crimes. The force confirmed it was concerned about the “lack of trust” from the trans community."

Let me guess. All that was needed for this, was fact-free hyperbole.

ArcaneWireless · 22/01/2023 18:56

More of a woman than JKR will ever be?

No. Not possible. In oh so many ways.

Waitwhat23 · 22/01/2023 19:07

ResisterRex · 22/01/2023 18:55

From that article:

"The spokesman would not confirm how many complaints they had received about the banners or whether their enquiries were being pursued as potential hate crimes."

But also:

"Scottish police chiefs recently ordered an action plan to build links with the transgender community amid concerns over a lack of trust in officers.

They have also earmarked £55,000 for a new campaign to prevent hate crimes. The force confirmed it was concerned about the “lack of trust” from the trans community."

Let me guess. All that was needed for this, was fact-free hyperbole.

While at the same time...

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/police-scotland-must-act-over-sexism-racism-and-every-form-of-discrimination-within-its-ranks-dr-paul-arnell-and-dr-megan-oneill-3418628

www.sundaypost.com/fp/misogyny-in-police-scotland/

The only visible thing that Police Scotland seem to have done to address 'decades of institutional misogyny' is a campaign to plead for men to maybe say something if someone is making horrific rapey and violent comments about women. The vast majority of the recommendations in the report have not been put into action.

Police Scotland are also institutionally racist. But the Government likes that to be covered up -

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/scotland-must-address-institutional-racism-openly-and-urgently-professor-nasar-meer-2913595

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