Canada: TW in a female only gym

[Tabitha1960]

I was particularly interested in this comment:

"She says she has previously worked out at co-ed gyms and never felt comfortable because it was mostly men in the facilities."

And yet STILL has no sympathy with natal women who don't feel comfortable with men there! The hypocrisy is staggering.

Very pleased to see a man, Dale Nagra, the owner of Bodyworks Fitness, sticking up for natal females.

“We want [trans] to be comfortable, but we also have to worry about the young girls that this gym is set up for and the women, and how are their parents gonna feel that they’re in there, then this person walks in with a male voice and big person,” Nagra said.

“So now you pick the comfort of the male who identifies as a woman…and then anybody can go in there saying, ‘OK, I identify as a woman, and I want to be able to go in there.’

And so, do we pick the comfort of the transgender person, and they may not be as comfortable with the co-ed gym but at least that’s an alternative, or do we pick the comfort of the young girls that are working out there that might not feel comfortable?”

www.cheknews.ca/transgender-woman-told-she-is-not-allowed-to-use-women-only-gym-in-parksville-1134924/

Well done to that gym
owner for thinking of the girls and women’s needs .

I hope people will help defend him if he is attacked with a law suit.

It is extraordinary how that man who wants to be a woman, and who wants to be validated as a women by going to the woman and girls’ only gym, even though they could go to a mixed gym, says that if the girls feel uncomfortable in their presence all the girls need is education: TWAW, TMAM, and non-binary people are who they say they are - it’s as simple as that.

Who is responsible for so feeding that person with a fiction like that, that they have absorbed such an entirely misplaced but huge sense of entitlement?

The huge sense of entitlement came as part of a package with his chromosomes.

@NecessaryScene · Today 08:26
The problem is that people are accepting the trans movement at their word.

They say if you feel "more comfortable" in a female space, that's where you belong, and people should accept that.

And, obviously, a huge number of men (myself included) would feel more comfortable in an otherwise-female space. Women are much less intimidating than other men..

I was very interested by this paragraph, please would you explain more? Is there an inevitable a sense of discomfort or lurking potential menace in a male changing room that males feel in the presence of each other?

I’m so sick of this crap. It seems women can have nothing for themselves anymore. That person doesn’t care about how other people feel and how women and girls might feel about them being in a female only space. Why aren’t they considering how their presence might upset others? It’s all “me, me, me”.

Agreed. Also, if women actually were as safe in mixed-sex spaces, that would be an argument to get rid of all single-sex spaces, not an argument to give some male people permission to be in female single-sex spaces.

None of this makes any sense, as facilities where people get naked as sex-segregated due to sex differences (including the greater prevalence of fetishes and paraphilias in male people, and because of the two different body types). There is no earthly reason to segregate any spaces on the basis of some inner gender feelings while ignoring sex. Also, I am now quite convinced that very few people even believe in some abstract inner gendered soul. I certainly don't have one and neither am I a special nonbinary soul.

I was very interested by this paragraph, please would you explain more? Is there an inevitable a sense of discomfort or lurking potential menace in a male changing room that males feel in the presence of each other?

Well, in extremis, there is always the factor that men could be a threat or confrontational/aggressive in a way women aren't, so that's a smaller-scale mirror of the safety issue for women. Although I don't think men think about it much - possibly not as much as they should, which is partly why the actual rate of violence against men ends up higher than against women - they're not thinking about that potential threat from men as much as women do.

In a gym it's a bit lower level - a feeling that the sort of men in a male gym are probably going to be all those loud, brash sporty types, maybe the sort who bullied you at school. Maybe you'd get snide comments on your physique, that a woman probably wouldn't dare, at least to your face... That might be a factor for this guy.

In my case, it's probably female socialisation as much as anything else - having a very female family, distant father. Always struggled to relate to men - I just am generally always more comfortable around women - even in healthcare scenarios and stuff, I'd always prefer female rather than male care.

I don't think that's terribly unusual for a lot of men - thinking that all the men into football or whatever are a bit weird, and finding their friends are usually women.

What's novel is some delusional men thinking that this "identification" with women somehow makes them a woman... No matter how much I identify with women, obviously you couldn't actually let me into any single-sex spaces or you'd be ruining them. And anyone who claims to identify with women who can't figure that out - presumably doesn't identify with them at all.

Giant Haystacks is dead but he won't lie down.

Arrogant bully who thinks women should re-educate themselves. Transwomen are not women. It's in the word.

Thank you,@NecessaryScene
That is all an extremely interesting perspective about being a man.

I remember reading de-transitioner Helena’s account of her experience of becoming a transman, and a particular comment from a male reader underneath:

Helena is a woman. As a teenager/young adult she transitioned to have a masculine identity and took testosterone. She described the discomfort of the sudden pulled trigger like feelings of irritability and aggression she could feel out of the blue. One of the men commenting mentioned, “Now you know what us men have to put up with.” (Meaning these feelings I think.) I do sympathise.

To go back to the changing room question and what you said, It just shows how if even a man can feel this sense of there being a potential for discomfort among other (usually) perfectly innocent men, no wonder women feel they simply don’t want to be in their presence at all under certain circumstances - and should not ever have to be.

When reading about transwomen’s murders (very few in the U.K.) it seems they did not happen in changing rooms. But I think they could be frightening for a transwomen, so separate third spaces should be provided as well as severe penalties imposed on other men attacking them.

Moggie Purrspees would most definitely say yes she would.. The rest may suddenly find their schedule rather busy for the foreseeable.

Although I'm not sure about the safety aspect of changing on the roof?

These kind of cases are just what women need to give widespread publicity to what the changes in law mean for women and children. A person who is clearly 100% gets to demand entry to every single-sex space for women.

I am in the USA and Lia Thomas was a watershed moment over here with all the publicity. So many people aren’t really at all sure what we are referring to when we say Trans. They definitely have no idea it means any man can say “I’m a woman” and he suddenly is recategorized as female everywhere. Well the majority are most definitely against that kind of nonsense and that’s why this year in particular, the big fight Trans supporters are putting up in the U.K. & USA is to change the law as quickly as possible before people really understand what it means, a la Dentons.

People are aware that the rainbow & trans flags are suddenly everywhere and even has the express support of the president. There are a lot of angry people over here and many are deciding not to be silent any longer.

I think it’s possible this case could start to get an organized fight back even in Canada because the sharp end of this is religious women who are affected. The powers that be don’t care about Jewish, Christian or other faiths but alienating and excluding Muslim women runs straight into another tenant of woke ideology. It’s clearly exclusionary to Muslim women. If the Muslim community started a flight back (like they have in parts of the states) they immediately get a lot of support. Parents are fighting this in a lot of states.

If not, we just need a few more of these and it all comes crashing down.

Its amazing how the ideologues can spend millions & millions on brainwashing the Western world, but you would only need a few more really offensive and blatantly insane cases like this and we will reach a tipping point.

"Kelli Paddon, B.C.’s parliamentary secretary for gender equity says situations like this highlight that it is important to continue working to advance transgender people’s rights."

No mention of women's rights then, or women's safety, from this politican who would no doubt call herself a feminist, just like Nichola Sturgeon does.

BearingFalseWitness · Today 21:03
Well the majority are most definitely against that kind of nonsense and that’s why this year in particular, the big fight Trans supporters are putting up in the U.K. & USA is to change the law as quickly as possible before people really understand what it means, a la Dentons

I am posting information here about the Denton Report for anyone who does not know about it.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dentons-document

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

Thanks, ScrollingLeaves.

And, yeah, Sturgeon's basically fucked that strategy, hasn't she?

They said "piggyback this in underneath popular reforms" not "cause a constitutional crisis while trying to do it".

I am so curious to know if Nicola genuinely thought it would be popular, considering it’s passed in so many other liberal countries (by deception, but still).

I think she did it on purpose, knowing that Westminster would have to block it, and then use the outrage at the insult to Scottish Democracy to force another Independance Referendum. She obviously underestimated the outrage of Scottish Womanhood!!

This is a good example of why unquestioningly affirming trans identities is so cruel. Someone like this who is clearly vulnerable and self obsessed, is allowed to say they are the opposite sex and lots of people around them start going along with the lie, the doctor gives them hormones, little concessions are made and some people in real life and on the internet start fawning over them and going out of their way to tell them how special they are and how justified and real their feelings are. They build them up to an unrealistic image of themselves but because it's all a fantasy, at some point they are forced to face the reality of other people who won't play along and it's inevitable that they will receive pushback which hurts their poor little feelings - and it seems, often causes them to angrily lash out. This is why we need much clearer boundaries in place - it simply shouldn't be allowed to get to this point and women shouldn't constantly be made to feel unkind or hateful simply for standing up to perfectly reasonable boundaries which shouldn't even need to be questioned.

I think she hoped that Westminster blocking it (she knew that had to happen. They couldn't not block it due to adverse impact on EA) would anger people so much that they would support the law because the English had blocked it.

She's made a political miscalculation in my opinion and I think this is the beginning of the end of her political career.

Don’t give them ideas. Next they’ll accuse the daycare workers of discrimination for not changing their diapers. 🤪🥴

To me, that gym owner is a hero.
I’m a Canadian living in Canada and although that gym isn’t near me I’d be more than willing to lend support to the owner should he need it.

Same. I really wouldn’t want to work out there anymore if I saw a person like that walk in and they’re obviously male and huge. They could crush me with their thumb. Definitely would rather drive home in my sweat then get dressed in the dressing room.

Situations like this are just going to slowly but surely silently drive women out. That’s all.

I am worried about the gym owner. I’m sure they’re going to get a lot of bad press and harassment. I hope they’ll get through okay…

I'm baffled that anyone could guess that person is trans. They look 100% male. Stubble, male shaped face. Why would anyone guess otherwise?

Honestly, there is absolutely nothing feminine about this person. He is 100% male in the attitude, beliefs and sense of entitlement. There is not a shred of femininity in the way they look and dress. Good for the gym owner, hope he gets lots of support. Funny how they never push to see the over viewpoint.

all it takes is education

Yes and YOU should educate yourself!

How dare they.

How brave of the gyn owner. Interesting to see if they get taken to court.

Any woman who is happy to validate a male person's identity with her body - well it's her body, her choice, her consent. She cannot however hand over other women's bodies to that purpose of serving male interests.

Particularly when many of them are quite exceptionally removed from and naive about the realities of the kind of woman they've never met and won't have had as friends, and who carry far less useful and marketable capital for their image than cool and heart rending TQ+ friends.

Third spaces.