When trans rights trumps children's safety

[ReunitedThorns]

This story has come about in my local area:

An elderly man spotted wearing a girl’s school uniform near a Leigh secondary school and on a bus “does not pose a risk”, according to police who have urged the public to stop sharing photos of him.

uk.news.yahoo.com/police-man-seen-outside-leigh-163212326.html

This old man is riding school buses and hanging around schools in full girl's uniform and bad wig.

Apparently the schools have had to arrange special assemblies to brief children not to travel alone.

But police don't want anyone to share images of this man online and he has told them that he is not a risk.

He's clearly not trans, but I fear that the police are so scared of the subject that they're allowing this behaviour to continue.

let’s call a spade a spade. He is no doubt getting turned on by looking at young girls coming out of the school whilst he stands and stares at them. This is totally and utterly obscene….yet this perverse behaviour is tolerated by a police force who should be protecting women and children….

Very interesting article @Manteiga - dressing in school uniform and loitering outside a school one year, arrested for ‘exposure’ (I’m guessing flashing) and put on the sec offenders register the next.

But of course there’s no risk, this is all totally normal. Move along ladies, stop your transphobic bigotry….

Reminds me of an article I read recently about the escalation in crime from stealing underwear to flashing to rape/assault.

Police won't act until a child gets hurt or involved. So right now he probably grooming a victim. Looking from afar. Trying to find the girls he wants to assault. The longer he allowed the more confident he will get. Next week he will be caught masturbating or flashing. Women and girls are always collateral damage. It takes a woman or girl to be raped before the police will act. We are that disposable in society that this scrote has freedom to force his perversion onto others until he does harm. The harm will be against a young girl. But that's what it takes. Until then he "just expressing himself" and in 2023 he is allowed to get this close to children because if not we will destroyed publicly for being "transphobic" this is the end result of gender ideology.

It would be beneficial if some of the schools and police could seek legal advice - as to what can be done to protect the children. It does seem to be causing distress. I’m ethnic minority and if someone was wearing ‘our’ traditional clothing and standing outside restaurants or community centres - I would find it threatening. Can restraining orders be sought? Or does this have to be towards an individual (rather than school/business)?

...and concluded he hasn't committed any crime and doesn't pose any risk. Police have also asked the public to stop sharing photos of him on social media.

I also don't see what this has to do with transpeople or trans-rights?

At any point in the recent past this man, who also has a PRIMARY SCHOOL UNIFORM THAT HE WEARS IN PUBLIC would have been dealt with appropriately. He is loitering outside schools wearing a girl's school uniform, following the children onto the bus and taking photos. He has uniforms for both primary and secondary schools.

Up until recently everyone called this gentleman exactly what i can't call him on here, we all see it we all recognise it for what it is.

What has changed in the last few years that suddenly means a man with a thing for children can brazenly dress in a girl's school uniform and stare at, photograph and harass children?

Come on Marge, think. Join the dots.

What's so different about the world now?

Why has this man been allowed to continue with his frankly worrying behaviour?

What has changed?

Why is a grown man suddenly getting away with this?grow

Why does he feel free suddenly to be able to do this now and not ten years ago?ten

Come on Pie, it's not that difficult.

There is a long thread on AIBU about this

By saying he's not a risk, the police are telling the community he's safe to be around children.

What a fucking ejaculatory moment for up and coming predatory paedophiles. This man may not be that - it sounds more like age-related AGP right now - but they've just green-lighted men loitering outside different primary schools as long as they dress like a schoolgirl!

Quite staggering.

And this "safe dude" is now at more risk after the police's statement, because they have told the world that they're not going to stop him.

It's quite incredible the number of people who think he has a right to "live his best life" in this way. Makes me want to vomit actually.

Well done to the schools for making it clear to their pupils that his behaviour is not ok.

I would be concerned about this. I wouldn't be comfortable with an 11yo getting the bus with this man! Shame there's no common sense left. Has anyone asked why he feels it's appropriate.

This is the problem. You have your people who want to live life as the opposite sex. There is growing evidence of an undeniable subset (of whatever size), under this cloak, who have sexually charged/ predatory motives and the denial of their existence and the blanket insistence that trans women are women, raises all sorts of safeguarding concerns. It’s easier for the police to say shut up about these concerns.

Because we've all to subscribe to the dysphoria we are to ignore basic safeguarding. It’s nuts.

'I also don't see what this has to do with transpeople or trans-rights?'

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How else does this need to be explained?

Older man
Dresses as a school girl (transvestite) posing a risk to young children - I'm not actually sure if he's fully trans or not but frankly that doesn't matter
Transvestites are in the umbrella term for trans people

This has EVERYTHING to do with transpeople. He has NO right to stepping foot on a children's school bus!!!!!

Yes, I was so thankful that yesterday this subject was the trending topic and that it got picked up by Glinner, KJK, Reduxx etc to lead to greater exposure.

It's always the same thing "this will never happen to us", we can laugh at Canadian teachers etc, but when it is happening literally on the streets of your home town that's when it hits. (I can identify some of the streets he's been photographed on.)

This man has seemingly been doing it daily this week (no reports on Friday, possibly hiding), and the police have essentially given him the green light to carry on (whilst standing on guard outside some of the affected schools).

The publicity is to shame Essex police into stopping the man, at least confiscate the uniforms. The photos need to be shared to shame him into stopping, and to stop misidentification (people can see quite clearly that he doesn't fit in, and not think that it is someone quite good at passing).

We all know that this sort of behaviour escalates, he's already bold enough to go out daily in it, be on buses with the children and stare at them (which I now thought was classified as criminal sexual harassment). It's pretty obvious what the next steps will be.

I'm really frustrated by the naivety around this. There is no way the police can credibly state categorically that he poses no risk. The police are usually untrained or poorly trained in this kind of thing. Look at how indecent exposure is generally treated just as naively by both the police and general society who think its a bit of a chuckle. The police's narrative that he's a harmless wee elderly man is appalling and it's leading people to think he's a stupid old doddery fool who doesn't know what he's doing. Even if he himself is vulnerable or has mental health issues it does NOT preclude him being a threat. He's aware enough to have lied to the uniform shop. Predators are THE most manipulative group and it's not beyond the realms he's just yet another man pulling the wool over the polices eyes. They've totally abdicated their responsibility with their statement, they've failed to reassure concerned parents, teachers and students and instead created a 'poor man' narrative. Disgusted.

So, photos of man in school uniform, requested not to be shared.....
Man in school uniform is taking photos on the bus.
Could the police kindly check that man in school uniform's photos of kids on the ( school) bus are not being shared......

Ah but @Villagetoraiseachild his photos are just harmless and what he likes to do to appease a 30 year old need, poor lamb. The photos highlighting what he's doing are just mean and unfair remember....everyone especially the children should embrace this and go and have a gentle chat with him.

Agree this behaviour does usually escalate. Next it will be flashing. Do we all then just chuckle and say silly man. And we have learnt from recent Met Police issues that flashing can lead on to very serious behaviour.

Exactly. Transvestism and crossxxxxxxx are under the big umbrella. You can’t have it both ways.

I was reading the AIBU thread on this (it filled up pretty quickly).

I think I would think this absolutely peculiar regardless of who was doing it - should an adult woman dress in schoolgirl uniform and make a point of riding the bus at the same time as the kids, I would think her very strange as well.

I expect that the schools involved are absolutely appalled by this - some dude hanging around and (supposedly) trying to climb into the playgrounds.

I really liked someone on the other thread’s suggestion that the children wear mufti for the next couple of weeks. This person probably really enjoys the attention (even negative attention) so having the children wear their own clothes means he can’t pretend to blend in with them.

It’s a bit off topic but I hate that school uniforms are a fetish. I remember getting so much more crap when I was in uniform than my normal clothes. The girls may feel less vulnerable if they can wear jeans and a hoodie.

I would appreciate a response from stonewall and other trans activist groups. Do you condone this behaviour? Do you consider it to be harmless and acceptable? Do you consider that children are being put at harm and at risk of escalating harm? Is this the sort of world you are campaigning for? For it to be normal to see adult Males wearing school uniforms around children coming and going to school? I would like to know if there are people who do not see a problem here? Do you see parents and other members of the public who object as bigots for picking on a marginalised, vulnerable cross dresser?

Kids are being told not to travel alone.

Carry your keys between your fingers.
Don't wear your hair in a ponytail.
Don't wear revealing clothing.
Wear flat shoes so you can run.
Don't get too drunk.
Don't take a shortcut through the park.
Try in stay in groups.

Sound familiar?

So some more background:

• If Belfairs sounds familiar to people it is the area where Sir David Amess MP was murdered. Anna Firth is his replacement and that is who people are contacting about this situation.
• I've seen rumours about where the man may potentially live (like what town), if that is the case then he is making 7-10 mile bus journeys to those schools. He is also visiting another town. Essentially the excuse that he is mentally incapable doesn't fit with the fact that he knows all the various buses to take to get to those locations.
• For a number of secondary schools he has been around, they are also opposite primary schools, so the number of affected schools is much greater.
• He's been into the specific school uniform stores, so again knows the particular shops to buy from. You can't just buy this stuff from anywhere.

I've seen rumours about where the man may potentially live (like what town), if that is the case then he is making 7-10 mile bus journeys to those schools. He is also visiting another town. Essentially the excuse that he is mentally incapable doesn't fit with the fact that he knows all the various buses to take to get to those locations.

And he knows not to shite on his own doorstep.

Nothing changes... instead of dealing with the elephant as usual.

"Kids are being told not to travel alone."

This is good advice regardless.

There's a contradiction if the police say he is harmless while the schools tell children not to travel alone. If that's because of him then this one person has limited the freedom and independence of hundreds of children. And it makes vulnerable children more vulnerable - the isolated bullied kid who leaves school late to avoid the others, what are they supposed to do?

What kind of harmless is that?