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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

OJ has a special message for us…

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Cuppasoupmonster · 19/01/2023 13:14

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1616008459958231040/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1616008459958231040&currentTweetUser=OwenJones84

Gave me a laugh over my coffee anyway 😆 does he remind anyone else of arguments with their little brother? ‘You’re going to lose. Why are you hitting yourself’ etc 😂

Interesting he has never ever once engaged with any of the thousands of points as to why gender ideology is indefensible at best and harmful at worst, it’s always just ‘You’re going to lose… tiny minority… section 28’

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Cuppasoupmonster · 26/01/2023 15:09

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2023 15:06

They won't mind if it's a woman.

That did cross my mind!

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nilsmousehammer · 26/01/2023 15:10

OJ's also had a go with the argument that runs "If you have a problem with putting males in women's prisons then we just shouldn't have prisons at all".

Yes dear..... that'll work, won't it?

Boiledbeetle · 26/01/2023 15:10

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/01/2023 15:04

😂 OJ is a terf!

Can’t imagine ANY highlighting of trans crime will go down well with his following…

Which estate is Tarjit in? I presume she's in the female estate? If so what's his issue? And if she's in the men's then she shouldn't be, but they are welcome to keep her!

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/01/2023 15:12

Owen,

  1. Women can’t get other women pregnant. This is basically the worst outcome of any sexual crime.
  2. How likely are transmen to be a sexual predator versus transwomen? He had to find an example from the States ffs 😂 there are any number of examples for transwomen here
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AutumnCrow · 26/01/2023 15:16

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/26/dad-died-talk-death-silent-loss-taboo

This article today is really strange. It's like his mother doesn't exist, he writes a grandmother into brief existence as Horrible Repressed Grandma, his father was some kind of hero who could cross the class divide and back again at will, and Owen thinks he's the first man ever to articulate grief for a deceased parent. Odd; but yet not altogether unexpected.

Delphinium20 · 26/01/2023 15:27

I'm American and we have a larger population for one, so higher likelihood of having those odd anomalies of human behavior. For example, we had a 6 year old attempt to murder his teacher by shooting her with a gun (she is recovering but was severely injured). If he'd succeeded in killing her, it'd be first degree murder because of intent and planning. But he's obviously not going to a men's federal prison. He's the exception to Kindergartener behavior.

Transwomen are NOT the exception to male pattern violent behavior, although it looks like they may exhibit higher rates of sexual violence if you look at federal prison populations and conviction types.

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/01/2023 15:29

AutumnCrow · 26/01/2023 15:16

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/26/dad-died-talk-death-silent-loss-taboo

This article today is really strange. It's like his mother doesn't exist, he writes a grandmother into brief existence as Horrible Repressed Grandma, his father was some kind of hero who could cross the class divide and back again at will, and Owen thinks he's the first man ever to articulate grief for a deceased parent. Odd; but yet not altogether unexpected.

Of course I’m sorry for his loss, but I don’t like this ‘we need to talk about..’

Just because you’re not/haven’t, it doesn’t mean other people aren’t Confused

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2023 15:53

The judge said Singh had been "aware that these women were vulnerable" and had deceived them by "not truly revealing" that he had been born biologically female.

Tut tut Owen, are you claiming this is sex by deception? And that it's a crime? Alex Sharpe and other TRAs working to change the law on this won't be pleased!

Boiledbeetle · 26/01/2023 15:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2023 15:53

The judge said Singh had been "aware that these women were vulnerable" and had deceived them by "not truly revealing" that he had been born biologically female.

Tut tut Owen, are you claiming this is sex by deception? And that it's a crime? Alex Sharpe and other TRAs working to change the law on this won't be pleased!

I always thought this was the true goal. to totally pass they need to have sex in their new chosen sex and not be questioned ? Which means deceiving their partners.

nilsmousehammer · 26/01/2023 16:17

The attempts to get rid of sex by deceit for TQ+ people by the TQ+ lobby is focused on removing the right or access for people deceived by TQ+ in to non consenting sex to complaint or redress. One ground is that this would 'out' the TQ+ person.

The legalities are always sought by the TQ+ lobby for absolute freedom free from consequence, and to prevent others harmed by that freedom from having equality of consideration , rights or justice.

FrancescaContini · 27/01/2023 01:54

nilsmousehammer · 26/01/2023 16:17

The attempts to get rid of sex by deceit for TQ+ people by the TQ+ lobby is focused on removing the right or access for people deceived by TQ+ in to non consenting sex to complaint or redress. One ground is that this would 'out' the TQ+ person.

The legalities are always sought by the TQ+ lobby for absolute freedom free from consequence, and to prevent others harmed by that freedom from having equality of consideration , rights or justice.

Yes, @nilsmousehammer , “freedom from consequences” is an apt phrase for this “sacred caste”.

Apollo441 · 28/01/2023 00:33

So Sturgeon's GRR support unravels before our eyes. The general population are presented with the full on lunacy of gender ideolgy. Transwomen are women - except for that one. The papers are turning their attention to other trans sexual offenders in women's prisons. I expect a full retreat from Sturgeon. There is also a head of steam building up about World Athletics allowing transwomen to compete in women's events. For the first time current athletes are speaking out and starting to say they would refuse to compere.

Is this what losing looks like Owen? 😀

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 00:43

Apollo441 · 28/01/2023 00:33

So Sturgeon's GRR support unravels before our eyes. The general population are presented with the full on lunacy of gender ideolgy. Transwomen are women - except for that one. The papers are turning their attention to other trans sexual offenders in women's prisons. I expect a full retreat from Sturgeon. There is also a head of steam building up about World Athletics allowing transwomen to compete in women's events. For the first time current athletes are speaking out and starting to say they would refuse to compere.

Is this what losing looks like Owen? 😀

💜

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/01/2023 08:05

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/01/2023 23:41

They're not just saying all the quiet bits out loud, they've written them on placards, tweeted their threats, have their convicted murderers platforming with abusive MPs who've just displayed their aggression in the HoC and are now openly trying to isolate children from their parents.
Can't wait to see what treats they've got up their sleeves for the horrified public tomorrow Grin

Must admit, when we had this conversation a week ago, I didn't think things would unravel quite so spectacularly.
Now we have to ensure that this isn't forgotten or hand waved away and that women get our rights restored and that children in schools are protected from those coercing them into believing the wrong body nonsense.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 08:09

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/01/2023 08:05

Must admit, when we had this conversation a week ago, I didn't think things would unravel quite so spectacularly.
Now we have to ensure that this isn't forgotten or hand waved away and that women get our rights restored and that children in schools are protected from those coercing them into believing the wrong body nonsense.

It's definitely been a case of a week is a long time I politics!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 08:09

In politics

Cuppasoupmonster · 28/01/2023 08:12

Now we just need the toxic overlords of Gender Identity to be shown for who they really are - a bunch of woman hating misogynists with Messiah complexes.

I find it incredible that a man who has excused sex with a 9 year old child is still being given mainstream airtime, I think. I would love for one of the main newspapers to dredge this up again and ask why exactly he is still giving interviews and in prominent positions.

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TheaBrandt · 28/01/2023 08:55

But doesn’t he question why so many rational intelligent reasonable many left leaning people who agree with him on pretty much everything else don’t on this? Are all “anti trans activists” ? It just doesn’t make sense.

Dh is a senior litigator and he always wants to understand what the other sides view is. If I moan about something minor someone has done he will always try to see their side if they are usually decent and reasonable. If Owen did this for 15 minutes he would get it. That he doesn’t makes me think he either has his own agenda not to or is a flat out misogynist. I think the former.

beastlyslumber · 28/01/2023 09:14

Apollo441 · 28/01/2023 00:33

So Sturgeon's GRR support unravels before our eyes. The general population are presented with the full on lunacy of gender ideolgy. Transwomen are women - except for that one. The papers are turning their attention to other trans sexual offenders in women's prisons. I expect a full retreat from Sturgeon. There is also a head of steam building up about World Athletics allowing transwomen to compete in women's events. For the first time current athletes are speaking out and starting to say they would refuse to compere.

Is this what losing looks like Owen? 😀

We Never Lose

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 09:21

OJ, I know you're ready this so please can you publicly state that I, DialSquare, will never, ever win the lottery. Ta.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 09:23

Owen is going to lie awake at the end of his life in his grotty bedsit stuck on benefits and remember back to his heyday of 2020 and wonder how come that only a couple of years later it had all fallen apart.

He will think about how he'd started 2023 with a fantastic video putting the women in their place. Yet by the end of 2023 he was homeless, jobless and treated like a pariah by over 50% of the population.

He'll think of what life could have been if he hadn't had to spend the last 30 years working the late shift cleaning the Guardian office toilets.

And then as he draws his last breathes he'll remember that Fucking Video and remember that it was also the week

OWEN LOST

FrancescaContini · 28/01/2023 09:26

@Boiledbeetle
Cleaning the SINGLE-SEX toilets, hopefully, just so he realises how much his project has failed.

mrshoho · 28/01/2023 09:42

Stonewall may just have a new cause to get their teeth in as all this unravels. Re-education and counselling for all those who were captured and misled by Trans ideology, themselves included. I know it's wishful thinking but some such as OJ are in so deep there's currently no way out. I could almost imagine OJ declaring a mental breakdown before a climbdown.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 09:45

FrancescaContini · 28/01/2023 09:26

@Boiledbeetle
Cleaning the SINGLE-SEX toilets, hopefully, just so he realises how much his project has failed.

Good spot there. Hang on I'll just update

Single sex OWEN you'll be cleaning the SINGLE SEX toilets at the Guardian.

ResisterRex · 28/01/2023 09:46

mrshoho · 28/01/2023 09:42

Stonewall may just have a new cause to get their teeth in as all this unravels. Re-education and counselling for all those who were captured and misled by Trans ideology, themselves included. I know it's wishful thinking but some such as OJ are in so deep there's currently no way out. I could almost imagine OJ declaring a mental breakdown before a climbdown.

Nancy Kelley already signalled this a while ago. I'll try to find it.