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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maggie Chapman doesn't know what sex she is

125 replies

Abccde · 16/01/2023 20:34

But she isn't trans............

Please make this make sense.

Maggie hen, I think you are a loony, I think you have thrown women under the bus, but you are as much a woman as I am.

nitter.pussthecat.org/TomSwarbrick1/status/1615059702802485260#m

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Chersfrozenface · 18/01/2023 15:23

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 18/01/2023 15:18

Should we be calling her Maggie Chapperson from now on then?

Maggie's a traditional female name as well.

How about Magee Chapperson?

Birdsweepsin · 18/01/2023 15:25

This reply has been deleted even before it appeared.

Message deleted by Birdsweepsin. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines. I thought I'd get in first, you know.

I mean I can't even remember what I wrote! What on earth did I say that warranted being deleted?

IcakethereforeIam · 18/01/2023 15:29

Well, 'chap' is a bit gendered too, I quite like 'Personpeep'.

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 18/01/2023 15:56

IcakethereforeIam · 18/01/2023 15:29

Well, 'chap' is a bit gendered too, I quite like 'Personpeep'.

Good point!

ArabellaScott · 18/01/2023 17:41

Maggie PersonPeeps.

Chersfrozenface · 18/01/2023 17:50

Magee Personpeeps

NecessaryScene · 18/01/2023 17:56

Mxggie PersxnPeepx

Boiledbeetle · 18/01/2023 18:11

Aghhh but your all assuming she still identifies as a person. She may be a furry

Moggie purrspees

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/01/2023 20:07

Aphrathestorm · 18/01/2023 14:46

How do you know she's a woman?

It's really very difficult to tell an xx woman from a xy man with cais.

(They are genetic men who don't grow penises in the womb)

When they are born there's no penis so they get a female birth certificate and are legally female in every country.

It's only when they get to 15/16 and haven't started puberty that the blood/chromosome test is done and they are 'discovered'.

As Maggie chapman has never given birth there's every possibility she has cais and is a genetic male.

It is thought this may be what caster semenya has.

Sure, there is a possibility - although every possibility is seriously stretching it.

By age 45, 18% of women have not given birth. A tiny proportion will still have a child after 45, but the proportion of those who will be birthing their first child will be very small so it's close enough to run with.

Estimates vary but the highest estimate I've seen for CAIS is 1 in 20:000 males

For ease of calculation I'm going to assume equal numbers of males and females which isn't accurate but at this level it's trivial.

So for a person of roughly Maggie's age there's approximately:
a 9% chance of being a female without a child
a 0.0025% chance of being a male with CAIS

So statistically it's about 3,600 times more likely that Maggie is a female bam with no sprogs than a male bam with CAIS

Datun · 18/01/2023 20:11

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/01/2023 20:07

Sure, there is a possibility - although every possibility is seriously stretching it.

By age 45, 18% of women have not given birth. A tiny proportion will still have a child after 45, but the proportion of those who will be birthing their first child will be very small so it's close enough to run with.

Estimates vary but the highest estimate I've seen for CAIS is 1 in 20:000 males

For ease of calculation I'm going to assume equal numbers of males and females which isn't accurate but at this level it's trivial.

So for a person of roughly Maggie's age there's approximately:
a 9% chance of being a female without a child
a 0.0025% chance of being a male with CAIS

So statistically it's about 3,600 times more likely that Maggie is a female bam with no sprogs than a male bam with CAIS

Would menstruation have given her a clue?

NecessaryScene · 18/01/2023 20:13

So statistically it's about 3,600 times more likely that Maggie is a female bam with no sprogs than a male bam with CAIS

Fun stats, but I'll spoil your fun by pointing out she could immediately rule out "male with CAIS" if she's ever had a period.

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/01/2023 20:18

NecessaryScene · 18/01/2023 20:13

So statistically it's about 3,600 times more likely that Maggie is a female bam with no sprogs than a male bam with CAIS

Fun stats, but I'll spoil your fun by pointing out she could immediately rule out "male with CAIS" if she's ever had a period.

I know, but we can't rule it out on that basis as we don't know!

IcakethereforeIam · 18/01/2023 20:19

Boiledbeetle · 18/01/2023 18:11

Aghhh but your all assuming she still identifies as a person. She may be a furry

Moggie purrspees

That would explain the interview, she was probably trying to cough up a fur ball. It would make more sense than what she actually seemed to be trying to say.

OldCrone · 18/01/2023 20:21

NecessaryScene · 18/01/2023 20:13

So statistically it's about 3,600 times more likely that Maggie is a female bam with no sprogs than a male bam with CAIS

Fun stats, but I'll spoil your fun by pointing out she could immediately rule out "male with CAIS" if she's ever had a period.

And if she hasn't, it's almost certain she would have had tests done to find out why. So she would probably know what her chromosomes are. She claims not to know this so it seems pretty certain that she's female.

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/01/2023 20:22

IcakethereforeIam · 18/01/2023 20:19

That would explain the interview, she was probably trying to cough up a fur ball. It would make more sense than what she actually seemed to be trying to say.

It was definitely reminiscent of my cat vomiting...

NecessaryScene · 18/01/2023 20:24

She claims not to know this so it seems pretty certain that she's female.

And more specifically a female who has no idea about DSDs, despite using them as a debating tactic.

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/01/2023 20:26

Agree entirely, just think it's sometimes worth pointing out how very rare these conditions are

Boiledbeetle · 18/01/2023 20:29

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/01/2023 20:22

It was definitely reminiscent of my cat vomiting...

So... Moggie Purrspees it is then!😺

Boiledbeetle · 18/01/2023 20:31

Now we've agreed she's identifying as a cat I wonder which op the vet performed at six months that should solve the sex question

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/01/2023 22:06

Boiledbeetle · 18/01/2023 20:31

Now we've agreed she's identifying as a cat I wonder which op the vet performed at six months that should solve the sex question

Don't think the vet removed gonads...braincells perhaps??

BuildingaFuture · 18/01/2023 22:30

When I first knew her she was very motherly to the students around her and I would never have expected her to throw women under the bus like this. Saying that she always knew her mind and would argue for what she believed in, so looking back I can understand how she could have progressed from how she was when I knew her to how she seems to be now.

Datun · 19/01/2023 00:51

Interviewers are going to be wising up, much as we have on here, that questions cant be answered.

"if you don't know what sex you are, how do you know if you are trans or not? If a man is transitioning to become a woman, what does he mean by woman?

Describe how a man lives as a woman."

They'll realise, pretty quickly, that the house of cards is built on a foundation of shifting sands, decorated with smoke and mirrors.

And then the fun will start.

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 19/01/2023 06:29

Looking on Maggie's website,

maggiechapman.scot/about/

I think she is female, because I don't think many men would write this rather twee prose:

"She has been chief-slave to several handsome felines, and currently provides neighbourly refuge for a rather beautiful Ginger Antonio, who seeks escape from his humans' other pet, a large Alsatian."

guinnessguzzler · 19/01/2023 06:58

There aren't enough eye rolls in the world for this shite.

nepeta · 19/01/2023 17:22

All this, and especially the way the Greens all over the world have gone bonkers is absolutely due to two trends: 1. that everybody wanted to be kind to a tiny, tiny, oppressed minority (so terrible pretend-biological articles were published and were not critiqued by experts), and 2. the enormous power of #nodebate.

The latter was forced on us because there are no logical underpinnings and debate would have revealed that. But it would also have allowed Maggie Chapman and others to test their theories and to find earlier that they were mistaken.

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