Good Morning Britain - Helen Joyce today

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Just noticed a tweet to say Helen is on at 7.20 this morning with India - discussing Scottish GRR.

Yes, I agree. I gave a friend her book recently; friend has since passed it on.

Yes. If people were claiming trans status rather than female status then there wouldn't be an issue.

Ben Bradshaw is appalling on this though. Has come out really strongly in support of NS and Scotland's terrifying decision making and then doubled down when challenged. There's a thread somewhere.

KS only yesterday was framing it in terms of the indignities to TW and not even mentioning women and their concerns. There's a lot of change needed before I feel even a twinge of optimism.

Cheers @Violetparis - I think they are too. A bit. But the splinters in their arses from fence sitting on women's rights must be smarting

Is Willoughby being deliberately brought on now to show the lack of foundations to the discussion points and the dishonesty of some of the points? Willoughby is out there on twitter telling everyone that males on oestrogen are the same as females after 2 years. And this is Willoughby who dishonestly calls themselves a 'female'.

Not only that, they have been shown to display male aggression and force people to kiss them on TV, tweets abhorrent tweets, yet is still booked to come onto media.

If I were Willoughby, I would be suspicious.

I caught this, very predictably India tried to dodge any “difficult” questions “what would happen in single sex schools”, Suzanna brilliantly brought India back to answer that specific question. Helen was brilliant.

I also caught Shami Chakrabarti on R4 this am, agreeing that, whilst she agreed in principle with new SNP law, she thinks it would be in conflict with the Equality Act and the Government would be right to send it for a review!

Yes there are plenty of GC voices they could have booked, I think if Helen was a deliberate first choice and it wasn't simply a matter of availability, it does look as if someone behind the scenes knew what's what.

IW is so poor but maybe it's like hauling out that paedophile apologist Tatchell for every so called LGBTQ+ issue (which seems to include women's rights in the alphabet soup. Just too lazy editorially (or too scared) to get anyone other than a familiar sound bite merchant

I also caught Shami Chakrabarti on R4 this am, agreeing that, whilst she agreed in principle with new SNP law, she thinks it would be in conflict with the Equality Act and the Government would be right to send it for a review!

Woah.

Shani Chakrabati's comments on the radio this morning is significant.

www.nottinghampost.com/news/celebs-tv/good-morning-britain-viewers-slam-8033589

Not wishing to derail this thread which is about Helen Joyce on Good Morning Britain but I think we have to be careful with getting optimistic with this 'single sex spaces' talk. It became obvious with the Scottish GRR discussions that MSPs could say quite truthfully that it would not affect single sex spaces because they are secure in the knowledge that trans people have been using the spaces of their preference already. Therefore, no effect, trans people continue to use the spaces they have always used.

If Labour are saying they will protect single sex spaces I want to know how. How do you protect a female single sex space whilst simultaneously giving any man who wants one a new birth certificate that says he is female. I'm afraid my conclusion is that the single sex space being protected is one that is based on 'legal sex' and therefore includes people of both biological sexes.

Now where is someone with a link to this Helen Joyce segment!!

'ConfusedWorker1 added: “India Willoughby holding up her passport on live television to prove that she’s a woman and not a man is by far the most stupid thing I’m going to see all week, and it’s 7:30am on a Monday.”'

LOL what an silly thing to do!

Now where is someone with a link to this Helen Joyce segment!!

It is not up yet. Either on GMB catch up or twitter. A million fingers are pressing refresh.

@InterestingUsernameTBC I also am slightly skeptical, when they refer to single sex spaces, does that mean biological single sex or legal single sex with anyone who has paid £5 for a certificate?

Wow, if Shami Chakrabati is saying it, that sounds like they are softening people up for something.
But this "99% of women are biological women" won't work.
Labour needs to say:
There are a small number of men who are legally women but they are still properly excluded from single sex spaces. We can look at what public money should be spent on third spaces but stay the fuck out of any single sex space for women.

So depressing that we now have to qualify everything with biological as we can't say woman, mother, sex, female without there being alternative definitions confusing issues

My issue with Labour is the 'how'.

How do they propose to reform the GRA and maintain protections for women.
Until they provide details on how they see this working and how they will deal with potential conflicts I'm still not convinced.

I also need to know that when labour use words like single sex, women etc these have the same meaning as mine. I'm not sure that is always the case.

While they are so keen on reducing the humiliation of tbe current GRC process, perhaps they could do something about tbe process by which disabled people get any benefits. Far more humiliating.
Is that whataboutary? You fucking well bet your arse it is. Don't care.

The problem with this formulation is that since the Court of Sessions judgement in Scotland before Christmas the meaning of ‘sex’ in the Equality Act has been ruled to be ‘legal sex’ not biological sex. Your legal sex is the sex recorded on your birth certificate so people of the female sex includes for the Equality Act people of the male sex who hold a GRC which the GRR bill would give out to anyone who wants one. So whilst saying you will protect single sex spaces in line with the Equality Act sounds reassuring it means nothing unless it is qualified as biological sex.

100%.

They've tried the fudge before of 'yes, we will protect single sex spaces and transwomen are womensex' with the latter part said really fast so hopefully nobody notices.

How about the humiliation of women having to describe and spell out the reasons why they don't want to share spaces with males?

I never wanted to describe the biological issues involved in using certain spaces, or the reasons I or others may want a single sex space. I never wanted to recount or revisit abuse, assault, trauma. Many religious women have no desire to expose themselves to racist judgement by discussing their personally held beliefs.

Why doesn't women's dignity count for fucking anything?

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@ArabellaScott , you are missing my point. They are so keen to reduce the "humiliation" of the GRC process but don't give a shiny shit about disabled people. And if I raise this it is dismissed as whataboutary.
And yes, they don't give a shit about humiliating women either