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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Census releases data on gender identity

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RoyalCorgi · 06/01/2023 10:29

This is from the 2021 census:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Only 0.5% of people identify as a different gender/sex from the one they were born with.

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RoseslnTheHospital · 06/01/2023 10:36

Thanks for the link, it's a very interesting read. Lots of useful stats. Brighton and Hove has the highest number of people reporting a "non-binary" gender identity, at 0.35% of people who responded.

KatMcBundleFace · 06/01/2023 10:36

Interesting equal numbers of transmen and transwomen......

118,000 (0.24%) answered “No” but did not provide a write-in response

48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans man

48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans woman

30,000 (0.06%) identified as non-binary

18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identity

KatMcBundleFace · 06/01/2023 10:37

Newham and Brent have the highest number of transmen.

How intriguing..............

Chersfrozenface · 06/01/2023 10:38

I don't suppose this takes into account those who deliberately and inaccurately put the sex they claim to be rather than the sex they are as their answers to the question on sex.

RoseslnTheHospital · 06/01/2023 10:41

KatMcBundleFace · 06/01/2023 10:36

Interesting equal numbers of transmen and transwomen......

118,000 (0.24%) answered “No” but did not provide a write-in response

48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans man

48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans woman

30,000 (0.06%) identified as non-binary

18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identity

From the detailed dataset the actual numbers before rounding to the nearest thousand are:

Gender identity different from sex registered at birth but no specific identity given: 117775
Trans woman: 47572
Trans man: 48435
Non-binary: 30257
All other gender identities: 18074

DodoPatrol · 06/01/2023 10:44

18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identity

Was that the box below the question that asked if your gender identity was the same as your sex? That was a fucking difficult question to answer, honestly. Like so many people, I don't feel any sense of gender separate from sex, I'm just identifiably female.

nilsmousehammer · 06/01/2023 10:48

As it was clear that many people were going to put in their preferred rather than actual reality, the data's totally meaningless. As we pointed out. It's a very expensive mess serving no useful purpose. But it felt nice to people when filling it out, so that's all right.

ghostofadog · 06/01/2023 10:51

How interesting, thanks OP. What a very very small number 0.5% is....! Throws into sharp relief the widespread changes to language and policy all to appease a tiny minority. Interesting also that despite this being an optional question, most people (94%) did actually answer it.

nilsmousehammer · 06/01/2023 10:53

I wonder how many of the 'other' ticking box people actually wrote following it: 'I do not have a gender, I have a biological sex which is x'.

And got recorded as part of that 0.5%

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/01/2023 10:55

And yet the world is being turned on it’s head to appease this very tiny number of people

odd how such a tiny % of the population has so much influence isn’t it and women have so little

NecessaryScene · 06/01/2023 10:55

The primary breakdown is:

45,400,000 (93.5%) answered “Yes”
2,900,000 (6.0%) did not answer the question
262,000 people (0.5%) answered “No”.

Suggesting those who understand the issues with genderology greatly outnumber those whom genderology claims to represent.

nauticant · 06/01/2023 10:58

If I understand correctly, those numbers relate to over 16s. There'll be over 2 million in the group 13-16. If you think about the number of kids declaring a trans(maybe -ient) identity in that group, you might be about to add on one or two hundred thousand.

Oystersandwhelks · 06/01/2023 10:58

In Scotland, people were encouraged to put the sex the identify with, rather than their actual sex. In addition to answering the gender question. So there is no accurate record of sex anymore.

ReeseWitherfork · 06/01/2023 10:58

Surprised to see equal numbers of TM and TW. I thought TW outnumbered by a lot. Or is it possible the answer is skewed based on the wording of this question and previous sex questions?

bellinisurge · 06/01/2023 10:58

Good that they counted this tiny minority that can only be protected by putting men in women's prisons or men providing intimate care to disabled women despite their objection.

The victory was getting it counted separately.

#Jedi #Aquarius #CatsNotDogs

ReeseWitherfork · 06/01/2023 10:58

Oystersandwhelks · 06/01/2023 10:58

In Scotland, people were encouraged to put the sex the identify with, rather than their actual sex. In addition to answering the gender question. So there is no accurate record of sex anymore.

This is exactly what I meant.

NecessaryScene · 06/01/2023 11:04

I wonder how many of the 'other' ticking box people actually wrote following it: 'I do not have a gender, I have a biological sex which is x'.

Up to 136,000 of the 262,000?

Was the 116,000 really for people who actually wrote nothing, or does it include people who wrote things like "I don't believe in gender identities".

I find it hard to believe blank responses vastly outnumber "other" (18,000) responses there, so I think the 116,000 must include non-blank non-identity respones.

And in other places it says "no specific identity" for that category, so I think it may include the explicit refusals.

So I think the actual number of real gender people may be closer to 144,000 than 262,000.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 06/01/2023 11:10

Does this mean 93.5% of the population believe in gender identity as concept, as in these are people who believe that gender identity is real and believe that they have a gender identity which matches their sex? Does this give credence to having a mismatch between gender identity and sex or “being born in the wrong body”?

It is good to have some solid data on this group and now we can see how small this minority is perhaps we can roll back on changing language in maternity and women’s health and instead focus on doing the greatest good for the most possible people through clear, plain English and woman centred language, placing the woman at the centre of her care. It will be interesting to compare the 0.5% with how many people have English as a second language, have low literacy levels, find woman centred language empowering and reassuring etc. Especially given that, at least anecdotally, many of the 0.5% who say they have a gender identity which is different from their sex seem to be from higher socioeconomic groups and have higher levels of educational attainment.

waterwitch · 06/01/2023 11:13

I think Nils‘ point that many in the ‘other’ category may well have written something like ‘l have no gender’. That leaves 0.1% of the population who are trans men and 0.1% of the population who are transwomen, an 0.06% who are non-binary.

I find that an extremely useful statistic when trying to balance the needs of different groups

ghostofadog · 06/01/2023 11:17

nilsmousehammer · 06/01/2023 10:48

As it was clear that many people were going to put in their preferred rather than actual reality, the data's totally meaningless. As we pointed out. It's a very expensive mess serving no useful purpose. But it felt nice to people when filling it out, so that's all right.

That is true for the question on sex but this is a separate question on gender identity which asked "is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth". I guess some trans people will have said yes because they don't like admitting the sex they were born. In which case, they've shot themselves in the foot by reducing the number of people counted as trans!

An interesting thing would be the cross tabulation of the people who put 'female' for sex but then ticked 'transwoman' and vice versa for transmen

NecessaryScene · 06/01/2023 11:20

I think Nils‘ point that many in the ‘other’ category may well have written something like ‘l have no gender’.

Yes, but look at the wording more carefully. The 18,000 (0.04%) is not just "other", it's specifically "other gender identities", so I don't think they'd go in there.

I think you'll find the protest responses in the 118,000 (0.24%), which is "no specific identity given". So it's possible that up to 44% of the "differents" are "I have no gender" type responses.

Would be useful if ONS would clarify how they were classified.

Census releases data on gender identity
NecessaryScene · 06/01/2023 11:23

So basically non-genderologists massively outnumber the "trans umbrella" as a "refuse to answer" block, and are apparently the largest group inside the "different" block too!

ReunitedThorns · 06/01/2023 11:38

2.9 million people (including me) refused to answer.

Questions about this ideology and sexual orientation are irrelevant to the census and I refuse to answer them.

I know full well that gay rights organisations have tried various methods to get the numbers of LGBT people in the country (such as the NHS asking you), I simply refuse to answer due to the ulterior motives.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/01/2023 11:57

So it's actually a fifteenth of fuck all then?

Time to start diverting some resources elsewhere methinks.

LaughingPriest · 06/01/2023 12:24

The question is impossible to answer, really.

If my sex is female, which genders match that/are the same? If I felt I had a gender that was 'female', that would match as it's the same word.

If I felt I had a gender that was 'woman', would that match?

Is there something female about a woman, or not? 'Woman' can mean male as well, apparently, so it can't fully match with 'female' if you take that view.

This is why it's really important, if you are defining an entire group of people as 'those whose sex and gender do not match/align/correspond' to set out which pairs DO match/align/correspond (ideally with reasoning).

Otherwise you're left with 'well, you've said woman is a feeling that's nothing to do with the sexed body, so which sex are you saying it matches/aligns with?'

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