Census releases data on gender identity

[RoyalCorgi]

This is from the 2021 census:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Only 0.5% of people identify as a different gender/sex from the one they were born with.

Sorry if this has been said, but am struggling with the terrible new type face on the forum.

I was amazed how many news reports made this the lead story and said this is really good to know, what a triumph for trans / non binary rights.

Not one report that I saw said, well that's no very many. Why are their needs being prioritised.

So have just googled and for instance (July 2022) 14% of the population have a disability ie around 14 million people. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9602/

Are laws being changed to make their "identity" ie the biological reality of living with a disability any easier? Of course not, in fact many Disbaled Toilets have been made the gender neutral ones in public buildings.

It is incomprehesible how so many with positions of power and influence are buying into this notion that this tiny, tiny fraction of the population is allowed to dictate to everyone.

So yet again the media that could play a proper professional reporting role is not doing that, but rather is acting as a cheerleader to a group who are undermining women's rights.

And in the UK that means 51% of the population are having their lives dictated to by 0.54% of the population.

Coffee and walnut cake fine for me ta. As one of the 5.

The Daily Telegraph disagree with your statistics: "Around one in 200 people are transgender, census reveals
ONS data show that more than 250,000 people in England and Wales are transgender and around 1.5 million identify as LGB+"

Im on my phone so not up to doing the maths but here are the figures from the ONS bulletin. I can't remember the total population.

This is the number of self identified "trans women" we are discussing.

I can't remember the total population.

Total was 262,000. But I'm still convinced from the structure of the question and the way they've delineated the subsets that at least 50,000 and quite possibly 100,000 of that is "gender is bollox" rather than "transgender".

Here is the raw data. This only applies to 16 years and over so we need to know the total population of plus 16s, which I can't do on my phone as you need to sum each individual age year.

Also image if response rate, which was higher than they expected. 89 percent filled in online so 11 percent paper copies!

It will be interesting to see the breakdown if the 18000 who gave a different gender identity. I suspect some of these may include the phrase 'sex not gender'.

I didn't answer the gender identity question as there was not a none option.

Surely 46k each of trans men and trans women and 30k of non binary adds up to 138k total as the maximum possible number. And including the non-binary 30k is quite a stretch, as what does that even mean?

96k is the real number. Using the Census data to plan for future needs, that suggests that one hospital and one prison nationwide would be enough for all their needs.

The tiny percentages make the fact that schools see 10% or more trans identitifying "interesting "

It will be interesting to see the breakdown if the 18000 who gave a different gender identity. I suspect some of these may include the phrase 'sex not gender'.

I don't think so, because the 18,000 is specifically "other gender identities". "Sex not gender" would surely end up in that huge 118,000 "no specific gender identity given" bar.

And just the size of the bar seems to confirm that. How else would you get such a huge "no gender identity specified" bar without it taking all the "sex not gender" responses?

Sorry, 48k of each adding up to 96k total. That was a result of fat fingers not ladybrain, I'm quite capable of doing sums.

Agree.

Yes, it will be difficult as the under 16s did not answer this question. However once the age data is out (25 Jan) we can have an indication of numbers for 16 to 25 year olds who were indoctrinated at school. People are expecting trans men to be young and transwomen to be in the older age brackets, but if course there are a lot of young men saying they are women. A couple of weeks to wait!

That will be interesting.

Let's face it, the census has been a massive disappointment for the LGBT+ pressure groups, for years they've banded around figures of 10-15% for gay people, and proudly promote surveys that claim that 50%+ of young adults aren't "straight" (they persuade most to say queer when they are heterosexual, so term straight with a very strict set of rules).

There's been a lack activity from the pressure groups around this as they probably hoped for a much higher number.

Yup

I can’t agree that it helps 50% - the men. It doesn’t in any way help the vast majority of men.

Did anyone look at the 2nd release a couple of days ago?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/articles/genderidentityageandsexenglandandwalescensus2021/2023-01-25#data-sources-and-quality

66% of trans women answered female to the sex question and only 33% answered male (and there was a similar division of sex but in reverse for trans men). So all in all the data is rubbish. How much did it all cost?

The only interesting thing I picked out if the data is that there is not one non-binary person, male or female, in England or Wales over the age of 75.

What has happened to all those non-binary oldies?

Oh ,thanks for the reminder!

Very interesting, thanks. A few quick impressions:

-I notice that two thirds of those who identify as non-binary are female. So non-binary is female-dominated...

-The overall numbers are far lower than online discussions of various types have suggested. Even the youngest recorded group only has 1% with trans/non-binary identities.

-That two-thirds of trans women gave their sex as female and two-thirds of trans men gave their sex as male does suggest possible problems when they need sex-specific health care. It could be that they are not reporting their sex to their health care providers if they don't report it in the census. Or that the queering of language now affects even them.

-That the non-binary category (17,000) in the youngest group is larger than either the trans men category (14,000) or the trans women category (9,000) seems to matter to me as the non-binary identification does not, in principle, require the person to do anything differently but still qualifies for different treatment. Questions such as what category in sports the non-binary people should be allowed to pick get extremely complicated if they do not differ from the male and female categories in anything but inner identification. (I don't see why sports categories would ever be based on feelings, though, but here the problem becomes glaringly obvious).

That the non-binary category (17,000) in the youngest group is larger than either the trans men category (14,000) or the trans women category (9,000)

That's really interesting isn't it. Somehow people id-ing as nonbinary really rubs in that this is totally a social thing. Nonbinary isn't sex dysphoria. There are no nonbinary-sexed people to look at and say I desperately feel like I should be that. Some of these are people who /want/ social roles and fashions that are split by sex stereotypes, only they want to be seen as exempt from the rules. Or they're people like us who don't feel any sense of gender identity but as they've bought into the ideology they take that to mean that their label is NB.

66% of trans women answered female to the sex question and only 33% answered male (and there was a similar division of sex but in reverse for trans men)

Hilarious. They can't even figure it out themselves! A third disagree with the other two thirds!

Which is it people? Once you have decided, get back to us. In the meantime, while you are fighting amongst yourselves, we will pick too. Only fair huh?

@thirdfiddle

Some of these are people who /want/ social roles and fashions that are split by sex stereotypes, only they want to be seen as exempt from the rules. Or they're people like us who don't feel any sense of gender identity but as they've bought into the ideology they take that to mean that their label is NB.

That's a good description of the problem I have with that group:

It presumes that others are comfortable with sexist stereotypes of what it means to be a woman or a man, and that those who are not are not, say, feminists, but some third gender altogether.

This seems regressive and backwards, and it's shocking to see that thinking return after some decades of feminist work.