Please help! Gender not sex on a school 'protected characteristics' poster, just spoken to the Head!

[Vebrithien]

Good morning,

I started this thread before Christmas

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4684558-today-i-found-my-bravery?page=1

The overview is that my DD's primary school is displaying posters by No Outsiders, which are supposed to show the 9 protected characteristics, but shows gender, not sex.

The (male) deputy head I mentioned it to, before Christmas, has not got back to me. The posters are still there.

I summoned up my courage this morning, and spoke to the Headteacher. She seemed surprised, as I said I'd already mentioned it to one deputy head, and that I'd picked up on it due to my school expecting Ofsted, and reissuing our equality training.

The Head said that it was surprising, as No Outsiders were an organisation whose specialism was equalities.

I replied that the EA2010 says sex, not gender. I also mentioned that there were some concerning resources produced by them, including an assembly where a dad wants to offer violence to children who do not accept his trans child. (I know no more than this)

The Head is going to talk to her other deputy head, whose responsibility this is, and to try to put us in contact.

Where do I do from here?

Can any one help me with evidence? What particularly is dodgy about No Outsiders?

Is there anything that states that schools mustn't misrepresent the EA?

Is there any DofE (or whatever it's called now) guidance for schools on the resources they used or how they represent the EA?

And, how should I go about finding out if the school uses other No Outsiders resources?

Please help, I want as much evidence as I can.

Still shaking with adrenaline from speaking to the Head!

Yes, that's what I think. ELO states that the judgement is the last word on the matter (even if we think his interpretation is wrong) but it doesn't apply to England or the rest of the UK so the case for government intervention is made as the 2010 Equalities Act is reserved legislation and you can't have it meaning something different in one country.

They are male, the onus is on you to prove that they are materially different to any other male. You'll have to start by precisely defining the cohort you're talking about. Which I'm sure we'll all appreciate here.

OMG, I wish Sue Townsend were still alive and could do an Adrian Mole style example of a genderqueer teen's poetry.

Off for school pickup. Wondering if anyone will be there to talk to me 😥

Good luck OP.

Good luck

I wrote ‘regarded as’. To take justice as example, there are many people who regard many aspects morality as objective. Not murdering people etc.

There is no ‘gay gene’ that has been identified. Yet, I would assume you would regard it as true that some people legitimately claim to be gay. Likewise it should be for gender.

So you could laugh at a vulnerable minority?

Not an SLT in sight.

Will have to either wait until next week, or start thinking about an email.

Google Dana Rivers and Amber McLaughlin for a start.

Then watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=9NpIy-0_esU&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mumsnet.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title

Then read this:
fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

Someone with a better memory than me will come up with a link to the website that lists all the hundreds of serious crimes carried out by transwomen in the UK in recent years.

This one pattihews?
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www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Which is why Scottish women are pleased with Lady Haldane's judgment. Because it's going to blow the whole issue sky high and Westminster is committed, under the current government, to strengthening women's rights. It's just Nicola Sturgeon's way of picking a fight with Westminster so that she can strengthen her argument for independence. She doesn't seem to have realised that 90% of ordinary people, when they understand what gender ideology is really all about, want nothing to do with it. I think Wales, where I live, is thinking along the same lines. Cause a big ruction with Westminster interfering with Welsh government decisions and hope it swells the tide of nationalism.

perhaps if you can’t accept, you can still tolerate rather than condem a small vulnerable minority to a life of intolerance and misery.

So you want us to put males above vulnerable women who are hurt by the presence of the small vulnerable minority, such as victims of rapes and prisoners who are now being sexually assaulted?

Why do women need to sort these issues out? Why are we responsible for the happiness of a small subsection of males?

Perhaps you should accept that you are, and never will be, what you are not, and stop making unreasonable demands of what is really the vulnerable minority here.

with bells on

That'll do nicely. Thank you. I was thinking of website that compiles bios and photos of all the lovely transwomen in the UK and beyond who've been locked up for threatening people in supermarket car parks or caught with child porn on their hard drives. Perhaps there's a link to that in the It Will Never Happen thread.

It's like 2018 around here every time there's a school holiday, isn't it? The arguments don't get any better. 'Be kind' and 'you're old'.

My advice: ask yourself why you want to make life harder for a tiny vulnerable minority, the ‘threat’ of which is not supported by any meaningful research

Lol - it will be a tiny ‘database’

Your advice is not:

1. Requested
2. Wanted
3. Backed up by any actual meaningful research itself.

Start with the 'Break it down for me' thread. You might learn a few things.

Ok, so how many rapes and assaults have there been?

Did you really just plop that utter bollocks here?

Every word is disinformation, incorrect, wrong.

You really should do better.

Oh, and that meaningless word 'cis' is not welcome here. We do not accept it and MNHQ will delete posts that use it if it is reported. So please, do desist, there's a good, erm, person?!?!

More than one. I say that's too many.

Perhaps you would like to indicate how many rapes and assaults you feel would be acceptable collateral damage to women, in order to keep males from being sad. Is there a number at which you'd say the price was too high?

I've often asked TRAs this and never had an answer, so would be v interested in yours.

Oxford Languages dictionary definition of sex for the terminally confused:

"either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions"

Yes it’s no coincidence that animals don’t have genders.

This is about a primary school. Nobody has any business gaslighting children into believing that sex isn't real, that unidentifiable gender is reality or that they can change sex.
Vulnerable children confused about which sex they are or believing that their growing bodies are wrong and need fixing with drugs and surgery that lead to infertility, life long use of drugs and surgery, are entitled to thoughtful informed professional support. Not the attention of adult activists seeking to misrepresent the law, reality and to enable the transitioning of young children

Just 1 is enough to tell me who the real minority is, clue it's not the same one that you believe it to be.

The fact that you think women are the bottom of the heap shows that you know, in reality, who the women are.

There are assaults in women only spaces, such as prisons, for instance. Should everyone be kept in isolation?