Model response to a dilemma for women in the left-right storm (really?)

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So not satisfied with appropriating the work, ideas and campaigning of one woman and many active supporters, some complete set of nobody film makers have taken it upon themselves to school us silly air heads on how to behave and who to talk to.

Leaving aside the smug condescension of believing the have the right to tell us how to behave, this is a perfect example of where complete nobodies who exploit other people to further their own media career, then assume they are as politically relevant and analytically acute as actual activists.

kaygreen.blog/2022/12/31/model-response-to-a-dilemma-for-women-in-the-left-right-storm/

This is the problem with the media at the moment, presenters and film makers who are just the vehicle to get voices and ideas heard, then think they are entitled to become the spokes person.

Apart from anything else, did these nupties even think maybe we should ask those who the film was actually about. I know they would, having been hand selected as the appropriately politically aligned voices, also refused, but even within the unethical world of these self promoters, do they really think they take precedence.

But it does gives us a clear idea of their moral compass and how they felt able to bandwagon of others work and go to extreme lengths to make sure they are never referred to or acknowledged.

Not really. All that means is even fewer U.K. GC activists have been on TC than I thought. And her focus on only KD was to the exclusion of every other GC activist who has been on there and is avidly pro-life. She was trying to argue I was ‘disingenuous’ with a sample of 1.

nope

try again

that was a load of stuff about free speech

nothing about being critical of gender

I'd say that fella LOVES gender

he just thinks only women should be feminine and only men should be masculine

No. I am acknowledging that people make choices that are sometimes not ideal when faced with a worse choice.

And I am also a person who doesn’t believe in throwing away my vote out of principal. Because I have lived in marginal seats and if I threw away my vote, I would have ended up with the worse candidate representing me. So no, I don’t believe in throwing away your vote. If I come across people who complain about who is representing them and find they didn’t vote, I feel little sympathy at all.

Good for you if you choose not to vote though!

Oh, is that how it’s going to be?

“Jason Whitlock said Wednesday the left is trying to "dismantle the truth," pointing out Ketanji Brown Jackson's refusal to define what a woman is.

"I’m going to go all the way to Voltaire again: 'those who can make you believe absurdities will make you commit atrocities.' And we are in the midst of a great atrocity going on here in America," the host of "Fearless" said on "Tucker Carlson Tonight," arguing the viral exchange is emblematic of larger issues.

"This is a long process that we are in the middle of. We’re naming Supreme Court justices who aren’t committed to truth, but they are political activists and so a simple question like ‘what’s a woman,' she can’t answer because the goal is to create chaos and disorder by dismantling the truth. If there is no agreed-upon truth as simple as men and women, you can’t have an organized, properly functioning society," he added.

At Tuesday's Senate hearing, Jackson told Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., that she was unable to define what a woman was because she is "not a biologist."

So the above that Whitlock said on the video I linked you too isn’t GC at all?
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no, none of that is gender critical

where does he say stereotypes on the basis of sex are wrong? that's what gender critical means

do you know what

1. gender
2. critical

mean?

cos it's starting to look like you don't

No, you are constructing a narrative that suits your agenda that Riley Gaines couldn’t possibly actually be pro-life despite her voting for and working on the campaign for a pro-life Senator Paul Rand. That the poor young woman must have been ‘forced’ into it.

Do you think the same about women who vote for pro-choice candidates who also happen to support transgender ideology? That the poor dears are forced into it?

Yeah. Seem like some posters don’t understand what gender critical is.

There is just a whole lot of sexists out there. They believe that sex is real too. They don’t prioritise women’s and children’s rights though and if they do, probably not for the same motivations that we do.

Hence we slip back into this cycle of ‘far right’ and guilt by alignment.

Im afraid you are mistaken. Yes GC activists claim that gender stereotypes based on sex should be abolished, but that is not what they are campaigning for, is it? They are campaigning for the definition of woman to be based purely on biological sex, ergo transwomen are not women because they are male. And of course everything that goes along with that, as in transwomen cannot access womens single sex spaces or services or toilets/changing rooms or sports, or awards or diversity hires because they are not women.

But in case you think I’m wrong, here’s what Wikipedia says…

“Feminists who describe themselves as "gender-critical" say that biological sex is "real, important, and immutable" and is "not to be conflated with gender identity", and that feminism should organize with emphasis on the basis of sex rather than gender.”
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_transgender_topics#Gender-critical_feminism_and_trans-exclusionary_radical_feminism

So Whitlocks discussion on the definition of woman and criticism of transgenderism as an absurdity is 100% GC.

oh you're so confused

and also you're not respecting my lived experience

so now i'm confused. I thought you were kind?

GC feminists don't want women to be defined on the basis of sexist stereotypes. The reason women are oppressed is because of the type of body we have, not because some of us wear lipstick. GC feminists also seek equality of opportunity for women. that's the 'feminist' bit

yer chappy doesn't give a shit about sexist stereotypes. he knows who buys all the christmas presents and earns 10% less than whom, and it's entirely possible that he's completely cool with that and thinks it's the natural order of things. that isn't addressed in the clip or article you posted

so based on that he is neither

1. gender critical
2. a feminist (which we knew because he's a bloke)

No. I am not leaping to conclusions.

I have not got the time to check her beliefs but I am not assigning her beliefs based on her campaigning for a political candidate.

Because that would be a mistake.

If you have proof that she believes in banning abortion directly, show us.

Because otherwise you are pretty much demonstrating ‘guilt by association’ pretty nicely.

And please explain how me keeping Riley on that list supports my point about 8 feminist voices.

I could just as easily said “great stuff. We are down to 7! And three of those appearances were Kara Dansky! And three are not from
the USA!!

Shall I do that instead? No issue for me except you seem keen to portray a young woman guilty by association rather than finding out yourself for sure what she believes.

@BernardBlacksMolluscs
GC feminists don't want women to be defined on the basis of sexist stereotypes

I know. I didn’t say that. Not sure why you are pretending I did.

Im sorry but the vast majority of GC feminists are not campaigning for “equality of opportunity” they are campaigning for the definition of woman and single sex spaces as I listed above.

Equally, you are grossly mistaken if you think all GC activists are also feminists. That’s the problem. And I’m surprised you are refusing to admit this fact.

Here is another video where he expresses his GC views:

Carlson, who said transgender people “seem to be particularly hostile to Christianity,” asked Whitlock: “What do you think that’s about?”

The radio journalist responded by saying: “Whatever desire you have. If you want to marry a cat. If you think you were born a biological man but you’re really a woman. If you think you’re a dog, whatever your desire, they want to normalise. It’s a do-what-thou-wilt.”

“It’s a satanic philosophy,” Whitlock claimed. “You have to remove Christianity to impose and install that. It’s classic Marxism. And Karl Marx is just sittin’ around applauding the work that’s being done right here in this country.”

Thanks for telling us all what we believe.

How fabulous!!

I believe you are forgetting that feminists who support prioritisation of sex over gender understand that we are oppressed due to our bodies and our bodies differences. No need to have any belief in stereotypes at all.

The difference with sexist men is that they are those doing the oppressing. And often support biological essentialism and all the gender stereotypes they can find.

A rather key difference…. The feminism side of it.

“Im sorry but the vast majority of GC feminists are not campaigning for “equality of opportunity” they are campaigning for the definition of woman and single sex spaces as I listed above.”

Really?? Show us how feminists are not fighting for equality of opportunity?

Or are you trying to say that equality of opportunity is somehow tied to single sex spaces ?

No, rather you are ignoring all the evidence demonstrating what she believes by her actions to insist on some batshit narrative that she is being forced to do the opposite of what she believes in.

And yes you are cherry picking by applying filters on everyone GC who has been on TC. It is academically dishonest and wouldn’t pass journalistic ethics much less any peer review.

Yes

those views aren’t gender critical

those guys love gender

they don’t critique it

would an interpretive dance help you understand?

The words really are very simple

GC feminists. No, someone else is pretending “equality of opportunity” is the #1 campaign issue for GC feminists. It’s not.

“Equally, you are grossly mistaken if you think all GC activists are also feminists. That’s the problem. And I’m surprised you are refusing to admit this fact.”

Who is denying this? Please list which posters are doing this?

No. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

Please explain this statement.

Right, I’m done here. Those views are plainly GC and I can only conclude you are simply getting off on bullying me by pretending they are not.

Have a nice night v

You, by cherry picking are excluding many GC activists who are not feminists.

You have a nice night too.

did not know that you didn’t know that Tucker Carlson doesn’t debate GC activists, he is always in 100% agreement with them…so GC views are not a counterpoint at all on his shows.

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I'm not saying TC is the counterpoint. I am saying women's right GC view are the counterpoint to all the other "less palatable" views. I agree with Hellofabore - more feminists need to go on the show.

And who is bullying you?

We are asking for you to clarify what you mean. Are you not prepared to because ??? Why??! You have just realised that you are making false accusations against people who don’t agree with you?

someone disagreeing with you = bullying?

I think we may have found something else you don't understand

I think going to do something else is probably for the best

but if you can find an article where your chum jason critiques gender, do come back (because then he'd be gender critical)

No. I am pointing out that more feminist voices are needed on Tucker Carlson.

FFS. If you cannot argue your point coherently and discuss like for like, then your argument is as weak as.

did not know that you didn’t know that Tucker Carlson doesn’t debate GC activists, he is always in 100% agreement with them…so GC views are not a counterpoint at all on his shows.

Tucker Carlson, he's all about boys being able to cry and wear princess dresses, couples sharing housework and child care responsibility 50/50, and fighting the barriers lead to such high attrition rates for women in STEM careers

oh wait a minute, he isn't

BECAUSE HE ISN'T GENDER CRITICAL