Women's rights general conversations - Thread 2

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Continuation of Thread 1

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

I can’t imagine why. Any theories?

Belated Merry Xxmas to this thread, I missed the new iteration having been started until this afternoon. I certainly didn’t start this year expecting Mumsnet to become my most visited site in December but I’m happy that it has.

@DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry -Britinme, was that assaults in prison, or in the outside world?

American rates of imprisonment are as baffling as American gun ownership.

That was in the outside world. I agree about American rates of imprisonment. Gun ownership is just a totally different mindset and lifestyle and experience to what most of us in the UK grow up with.

I meant in the States.

The case cited above, of Andrew/Andrea Balcer, says he's imprisoned in the women's unit at the state prison (not federal) nearest to me. I haven't been in there for about six years now so I don't know directly how things have changed.

I'm surprised by the number in federal prison and then you add all the state prison numbers to that. Clearly they have more than enough to put together trans prisons now. Then again I'm pretty sure the moment that became a thing there'd be a real drop in the number of men deciding that they were women. Especially the sex offenders.

Having been in both the men's and women's units in that particular prison, I can say that the women's unit is a pleasanter atmosphere in terms of things like colours and fabrics and furnishing, though still very institutional of course. But a lot of the women like to sew and knit, and they make stuff within the limits of what they're allowed - a lot of them knit and crochet, and those are activities I'm guessing you wouldn't see in the men's prison for stabby reasons. I haven't heard of that causing an issue in the women's unit, and some of them work in a workshop that does things with fabric and embroidery and sewing, involving scissors and needles. The majority of the women are in for things like drug offences and shoplifting, though there were a few women who'd murdered somebody - usually a man, usually perceived as in self-defence or retaliation for abuse. There was one woman I met in a group who was in for killing her child (she denied it but had been found guilty on the evidence). Child killers and sex offenders don't get treated well by other prisoners. There was a sex offender unit in the male part of the prison, but they were kept separate from the other prisoners.

Exactly. Although Once all the men are in with the other men all identifying as women together who knows they might discover they actually like being with lots of the right Kind of women. You know those men who can woman better than any woman ever could. They certainly get all the validation they needed about how pretty they are.

Just watched the first of this year's Royal Institution Christmas Lectures (forensic anthopology this year - right up my street). I was very pleased to see the section on skeletal sex markers was straight-down-the-line biological facts - with mentions of childbirth, hormones during development changing bone growth, and differences in musculature.

You'd hope that science wouldn't be in question at the RI, but it was good to have it confirmed.

Thanks for the tip! Sounds great I will watch it on the BBC IPlayer

84% of female prisoners are there for non-violent offences.

Oh the poor sod who got the task of doing that graphic. It's bloody depressing.

There's also the percentage of population in prison - out of 100,00 people, France locks up 93, Germany 69, England 130, USA 639. And nearly 10% of prisoners in the USA are female, against under 5% throughout Europe.

How odd. Can't* explain that.

*Can

By the way, I nicked those figures from Wikipedia, but I don't doubt them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_some_dependent_territories_and_subnational_areas_by_incarceration_rate

There is also the issue of women being locked up in the UK for non-payment of fines for trivial offences. I particularly remember the scandal surrounding TV licence fees, where poor women were disproportionately first prosecuted (because they tended to be in, and to answer the door) and then unable to pay the fine. This was eventually acknowledged, and there was something in the papers in the last year or so saying that there were no longer any women in prison for this. I suppose we should have cheered, but it should never have happened in the first place.

Off the current topic, but is there a thread about the TRA infiltration into Scottish terfs? I missed all of that until now!

So you go to prison for non payment of lets say council tax on your one bed flat. You lose the flat and your job whilst in prison because you can't work and pay your rent and then end up getting impregnated but a fellow woman prisoner and emerge from prison homeless, jobless, pregnant and a victim of rape

Such fun!

I've missed it too, and if there's a thread about it I didn't see it.

You what now????

Wasn't there a twitter thread where a trans activist was posting all sorts of comments from one or more Scottish women's groups that they'd infiltrated?

Yeah, I heard about it on KJK's call in show but they didn't go into detail. I was trying to find out a bit more about what happened.

Sigh. Tried to post this but I think it’s the fund link that’s the issue. Anyway, Natalie Ryan is fundraising to challenge the disc golf tour Trans policy even though there is a mixed category. In the fundraising link, Ryan characterizes the women on the disc golf tour as lazy and jealous - of course, the fact they could just “work harder” and join the mixed category escapes them.

Anyway here is the Reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/zkybr3/natalie_ryan_made_a_gofundme_to_finance_her_suing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

An article: www.outkick.com/biological-male-starting-to-dominate-womens-disc-golf/

Silly lazy jealous women.

It's our nature.